A Certain Age Turns One! A Birthday Show with Host Katie Fogarty
Show Snapshot:
A Certain Age is celebrating one year of podcasting and aging out loud.
We have a special birthday show switcheroo. For a change, ACA host Katie Fogarty is the one answering the questions, not asking them. We welcome back a favorite ACA guest as co-host to grab the mic (and spotlight listener-submitted questions) to cover all things A Certain Age.
We dive into stuff you want to know (most downloaded episode, best pod mics), stuff ya never knew (ACA was thiiis close to being named something else), plus all the lovely, juicy learnings from creating a weekly show (aka how talking to 50+ amazing guests continues to alter Katie’s take on aging).
In This Episode We Cover:
1. How a surprising conversation caused Katie to launch A Certain Age.
2. How ACA went from zero listeners to downloads in 73 countries across 2,600 cities.
3. Shifting the dated notion that aging makes you irrelevant.
4. The secret to tackling big, audacious goals? Just start.
5. Favorite guests, most download shows, and the guest who changed how Katie brushes her teeth (a lifehack you didn’t know you needed!)
6. Podcasting resources, best pod mic and how to surface amazing guests.
7. How great things never come from comfort zones.
8. Aging is no barrier to living the life you want and realizing your dreams.
Quotable:
Aging is absolutely no barrier to living the life you want to live, to your dreams, to launching something. We can really get in our own way and my experience creating this show has deeply altered my DNA about what I think is possible in your second, third, fourth, fifth, chapter.
Anything is possible.
My day job working with executives who are job hunting has shown me over the years that people are really concerned about ageism. No one wants to let people know how old they are. This narrative needs to change. We should be able to age out loud.
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Transcript:
Katie Fogarty (00:06):
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women on life after 50 who are unafraid to age out loud, I’m your host, Katie Fogarty. Today we have a very special episode of A Certain Age, it’s our 1 year anniversary. And since we are all about aging out loud, you know we could not resist the chance to give this birthday a big, noisy shoutout. I also wanna thank you for showing up every Monday. When I dropped my very first episode of A Certain Age last August, I figured I’d have a handful of girlfriends and my mom listening each week. But beauties, you have blown my mind. You are tuning in from 73 countries, from the Czech Republic to Turks and Caicos, from Finland to Uganda. And what’s more, you’re listening in across 2,600 cities ranging from Anchorage, Alaska, to Zurich, Switzerland. And I am here for it. Thank you for helping the show grow.
So, for today’s birthday episode, we’re gonna do a little switcheroo from our usual format. For a change, I will be the one answering the questions, not asking them. I will be answering questions submitted by listeners, by you all, and questions from the co-host of today’s show. My good friend Dr. Anita Sadaty is joining me today. Anita was the first ever guest on A Certain Age. She came on to talk about menopause and toxic rage, mine, not hers, and she came on again in Season 2 to talk about all things vaginas and care for down there. She is a veritable encyclopedia on women’s hormonal health, wellness, integrative medicine, and sex. But best of all, she’s an incredible friend and so much fun. Welcome back, Anita.
Anita Sadaty (01:47):
Oh my god, thank you Katie. This is so exciting, my god, I got chills listening to that, [Katie laughs] I mean really, congratulations.
Katie (01:55):
Thank you. It’s been such a blast. I love logging onto my podcast hosting platform every week and seeing where people are tuning in from because it truly blows my mind. I love that I get to spend my Mondays talking to amazing women and seeing listeners from across the globe kind of tuning in and paying attention and being part of the conversation makes me feel so good.
Anita (02:20):
Well, it’s quite an accomplishment to celebrate today, so I’m quite excited to share that with you.
Katie (02:24):
Yay, I’m so glad you’re back. You were my very first guest and you’re one of the only guests that actually appears live in studio. Most of my guests come in from audio-only Zoom or audio-only Skype and it’s only local guests that get to be here live, so I’m thrilled you’re with me here today. Thank you so much.
Anita (02:41):
Thank you. Well, I’m excited to dive in.
Katie (02:44):
All right, I’m handing it over to you, [Anita laughs] you are officially running the show. Go for it.
Anita (02:49):
I love this, now you’re on the hot seat. [both laugh] So obviously, the first question that came to mind, and I had a lot thinking about this dialogue today. But, I wanted to know, what was your inspiration for starting the podcast? Was it always the target audience that you have right now that you were hoping to reach? Were there several options for podcasts? What were you thinking when you did this?
Katie (03:13):
Yeah, totally, that’s such a great question. I had been kicking around the idea of doing a podcast for a couple of years. Truthfully, two to three years before I launched this show. And it literally got to the point where I was like, this is a gigantic cliche, everybody has a podcast, there are a gazillion podcasts. I kinda tabled the idea. Then I started getting busy with other projects. I have a day job, I work helping executives, and business owners and companies create strong LinkedIn profiles, work on their professional branding. I had taken on—pre-pandemic, beginning of the pandemic—I had taken on a secondary role. My husband Mike had launched a business with two friends, they launched a business called Brightly, which is a direct-to-consumer membership platform for people age 50 plus. So, it’s still sort of in beta, but it's meant to be a fresh take on the AARP. And because my day job was giving career advice, Mike and his partners asked me if I would create career content for them. And as they were looking to create content to populate the website that they were launching in a few months. So I did.
So, every week I would write an article called Career Craft and I would talk to five different experts to get their opinions on the common theme of the week. So it might be, age-proofing your resume, or how to pivot to a second career, it might be avoiding ageism in the job hunt, et cetera. So every week I would talk to five different experts. And one week, I was writing an article on moving into a second-act creative career. So I was looking to source creatives. And I reached out to two women I knew to ask for quotes for the article. One was a really good friend from high school who is a chef, she has run a number of New York City restaurants and she had recently gotten a Michelin Bib designation. We all know Michelin stars. A Michelin Bib is for smaller restaurants at lower price points but it’s still incredibly prestigious. The second woman I reached out to was a friend from college who had published, she publishes YA books, young adult novels. At the time, she had two books on the New York Times Best Seller list. So when I reached out to these two women I said, I’d love a quote on a creative career post 50, they both said, “I love what you’re doing, but no one can know I’m 50.”
Anita (05:48):
Wow.
Katie (05:49):
Like, absolutely no way can anyone know I’m 50. And I was like, wait a minute. You have, not one but two books on the New York Times Best Seller list, and my friend had this incredibly prestigious culinary award. By any measure, these women are rockstars, yet they didn’t want people to know they were over 50 because they both felt that the literary world, the young adult novel world, and the culinary world are so ageist. And it really made me think, this is crazy. We really can and should be able to age out loud.
And that was my lightbulb moment, I was like this is what I wanna talk about. Because my day job, working with executives who are job hunting, also has shown me over the years that people are really concerned about ageism. They often want a drop older jobs off their resume, they want to lose the dates of their college graduation. No one wants to let people know how old they were, and I was like, this narrative needs to change. It’s absolutely crazy, we should be able to age out loud. And the funny thing, that was actually one of the early contenders for the name of the podcast. I was gonna call it “Age Out Loud”, instead of A Certain Age. And I spoke to a woman that I had recently met who is a podcast expert, she launched a number of podcasts for Forbes magazine and she said, “I totally think you should be having this conversation, I love the idea of the show, don’t call it “Age Out Loud.” [laughs]
Anita (07:17):
That’s so funny because one of the questions I had for you was did you have an alternate name for the podcast?
Katie (07:22):
Yeah, I did. And you know what, sometimes I feel pangs of regret because I really do like “Age Out Loud” and I use it as a hashtag and it’s something that I talk about. But ultimately I landed on A Certain Age because I felt it was a bit broader, it allowed people to kind of come into it at any age. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek. It’s not meant to be coy about our age, because I think we should be saying it. You know, I’m 51, I’m about to be 52 and I think we should all be aging out loud, but it’s meant to be a little bit tongue-in-cheek and you know, sort of turn that notion, the idea of being coy about our age, feels to me like a dated notion. We’ve got the oldest president we’ve ever had right now. Nancy Pelosi is by any means at the peak of her political career, she’s in her 80s. We have all these hot actresses that are in their 50s, gracing covers. I think that the needle is beginning to move a little bit. People recognize that when you hit a certain age, there’s no expiration date. Like Paulina Porizkova, who I love, who I follow on Instagram actually has her own hashtag which is #sexyhasnoexpirationdate. So, I really feel like this notion that aging makes you irrelevant is beginning to change and I want to play a part in that.
Anita (08:39):
Oh, well I absolutely think you are. I mean A Certain Age podcast strikes such a chord in so many women. I think the focus on not reducing who you are and your accomplishments and what you can do, to age is amazing. So, I love that, I applaud that. I had no idea that was your origin story. [both laugh] But, you know, coming back to— so the idea was born, and now you have to now launch this podcast. I mean what was the process about? I’m so impressed by the guests that you’ve chosen, the caliber of the speakers, the subject matter you select. I mean, there’s so much involved here. How did you develop your process and what goes into it?
Katie (09:23):
I love this, thank you. The beating heart of this show is the guests. I have been so lucky to have the most amazing women come on every Monday, every week I’m blown away. The original way I sort of got this up and running was to throw my hat over the wall. You might recognize that expression. Our mutual friend, Lisa McCarthy, who came on the show to talk about how to throw your hat over the wall, set big audacious goals for yourself, opened Season 2 or 3 in January. She sort of taught me this mantra, you have to get in action to make progress. You can be very busy waiting for things to be perfect before you get started, which is a gigantic mistake. So, what I did was say, let me just commit to doing this. I told anyone who would be near me in a 6-foot radius because at this point we were still social distancing. I’m like, “I’m launching a podcast!” [Anita laughs] So then, you know, I was making myself publicly accountable. I told my friends, I told my family, and then I threw a little money at the situation. I committed to recording the show, I think I recorded four or five with Dave in this studio and paid for them before launching it. Once you’ve invested time, money, and energy into something, then you keep going. And I got very good advice which was: don’t create a new show each week, get four or five in your pocket before you actually launch it. Because you’ll be so busy creating the social media content and putting the platform, you know, the podcast out on your various platforms, that it’s hard to get back into the studio to record it. So I launched with a small…
Anita (11:04):
Arsenal.
Katie (11:04):
Arsenal, and then just kept rolling. I got another really good piece of advice which was, commit to doing one season, make it twelve shows, don’t ask any questions, and then at the end of that season you’re gonna say, “Thank you very much for tuning in to Season 1, I’ll be back with Season 2.” And if you hate doing this, just never come back. [Anita laughs] And I was like, okay fine, I can do anything for you know, twelve episodes. And by the time I got to I think five or six I was like, "I love this and I’m never stopping."
Anita (11:37):
Wow, that’s amazing. You’re so natural at this, I was so blown away on our very first podcast. It was like you had been doing this for years, like, Oprah junior.
Katie (11:46):
[both laugh] I wish.
Anita (11:49):
No, I mean, unbelievable. I’m not surprised. I’m not surprised given who you are. Like, in terms of the details, let’s say, what for you makes an interview easy or natural, or one that’s a little more challenging or difficult? Is it the guest, is it the topic? You make everything look so easy, it’s an amazing skill. There’s an art to this. Can you give us a little peek behind the curtain there?
Katie (12:15):
Sure. I typically do a quick pre-interview with guests. I try not to have too long a conversation because then our actual recorded conversation doesn’t feel fresh. But we always agree on, sort of, three general areas that we’re gonna cover, but we never get into specifics of the questions. You want it to feel like a conversation, not artificial. So, I think the biggest challenge is coming up with the three areas, because the women that come on my show are experts across broad areas, or they have, amazing stories to share and you could spend so long talking about each one. I could talk for hours. I think the greatest challenge is working for guests in advance to hone in, to say we only have 30 minutes, what are the one, two, three things that we’re gonna focus on? So, doing that 15-minute pre-call beforehand makes all the difference.
Then I always write the intro before and that’s probably the hardest part of the show for me. I really wanna do my guests justice. They have amazing careers and fabulous stories, and I want to introduce them in a way that excites the listener and gives them, you know, does justice to their career.
And the rest of it I just have questions. Typically, I don’t even get through them all. We normally have a conversation and a flow. And after Dave hits stop on the record, the second level of work begins which is then creating the show notes, the transcripts, creating the social media tiles, the images that I use to share on Instagram or Facebook to promote the show. So, that’s sort of a secondary set of work. But there’s I guess the prepping for the recording and then there is the promoting the show, so those are sort of the two big areas that I work on.
Anita (14:01):
I mean, how much time do you think you devote to developing one episode, all in all?
Katie (14:06):
If I added it up I would probably lose my mind. [both laugh]
Anita (14:11):
Maybe that’s not such a good question.
Katie (14:13):
Exactly. I would say, hours and hours. It’s so, so, so much work. And I don’t mean that to sound negative, because it’s work that I enjoy. I get up every day thinking about this... excited. I love this process. I’m at 50-plus shows right now and I wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t a total blast, because it is truthfully an astonishing amount of work.
Anita (14:35):
Yeah, it sounds like it now that you laid it out for me, sort of enumerating the different things that go into thinking about it, selecting guests, preparing for it, doing the actual podcast, promoting it, I mean, forget it. Let’s not talk hours. [both laugh]
Katie (14:53):
But even the scheduling. It’s like tracking people down. Because I’m doing a lot of cold pitching to my guests. I do get pitched by a lot of people, but honestly, most of the guests that have come on the show have been people that I’ve surfaced myself and it’s a lot. I’m dropping into people’s inboxes on LinkedIn, I’m DM-ing them on Instagram. I do get a lot of recommendations from my guests, because I’ll have women say, “This was so much fun, are you looking for guests, I have ideas.” Author Karen Dukess who came on in Season 1 has been wonderful about introducing me to people. She introduced me to Kristin Van Ogtrop, who was the former editor of Real Simple who came on, Kristin introduced me to somebody, so it’s a little bit of a virtuous circle where everyone is kind of making intros, which definitely helps. But a lot of it is me just thinking, here’s a topic I want to talk about this month, who would add a valuable perspective on that?
Anita (15:48):
I was wondering about how you got such diverse and really top in their field guests. So it’s a little bit of introduction through shows and people that you’ve met and there you go.
Katie (16:02):
Yeah absolutely. For anyone who’s listening to the show right now and thinking, I really want to start a podcast and how am I going to find guests? Here’s one tip for surfacing interesting guests. Authors and podcasters make great guests. Authors are professional storytellers, they’re good with words, and they’re able to share it and they need to promote their book. The way the modern publishing system works is you really have to advocate for your book, so they are willing to be on shows because they need to promote their books. So, not only are they wonderful storytellers, they’re open to being asked.
And podcasters are also, for the same reason, they need to promote their show, they’re familiar with a mic, they’re not afraid. They make wonderful guests. I think there’s something like…there are millions and millions of podcasts. I’m not even gonna guess the number. But you can find a podcast about anything you wanna talk about and you can surface wonderful guests that way.
Anita (17:00):
What are you actually thinking about podcasts and books and different ways to communicate ideas and thoughts to an audience, what do you think makes a podcast so successful? What makes that sort of the way to go and to relay your thoughts and your information or the conversations that you want people to start thinking about?
Katie (17:20):
Ooo, I love this. I think podcasts are very intimate. You’re showing up in somebody’s ear. And if you’re doing it well, the listener who is hearing you and I talk right now feels that we are speaking to them, because we are. I’ve done a lot of public speaking in my past and I’ve worked with speech coaches. And one of my favorite speech coaches said, “You’re not talking to an audience, you’re talking to a person, and who are you talking to?” And I’m often talking to my friend Brooke because she’s a therapist, she actually came on the show, and she’s an incredible listener. And so, when I’m having this conversation, I’m thinking about her. She’s somebody who wants to hear from me, she’s always got amazing questions, she’s a phenomenal listener, and she’s just fun. So, that’s who I’m speaking to. And I hope that the listeners are hearing that. I think a good podcast creates that sense of intimacy, it has a host that’s willing to share. I think a good podcast actually lets the guest do most of the talking, truthfully, because they’re the ones that are giving their time and their expertise and we wanna hear from them. So, I think it’s a balance. It’s about letting the listeners feel part of the conversation. A host that shares a little bit but also, mostly lets the guests do the talking.
Anita (18:33):
I think you’ve absolutely struck that balance beautifully. Having been a guest on your show, I love how attentively you really listen, the questions that you ask are so insightful and I think questions that I think the audience wants to hear the answer to.
Katie (18:50):
Thank you. That makes me feel good [laughs] keep going.
Anita (18:55):
Moving on, I also wanted to ask you if you could give us a little bit of insight into let’s say, what were, if you can remember one or two of your most favorite episodes and why that was the case, and does that correlate with let’s say, your most listened to episodes from your audience?
Katie (19:15):
Oh my gosh, this is a fantastic question and a really hard one to answer honestly. I’m a mom of three and I still feel the same way about my guests as I do my kids, I love them all. You know, a quick answer might be my favorite guest is the last one I had, because literally every time we have to end, I’m like, I could keep going. And we often do. Dave has watched us have 15- minute, half an hour conversations that happen after he stops hitting record because I do love my guests.
I will say that the most impactful guests for me have been all the doctors that have been on the show, including you. The amount of information that I have learned in the past year by listening to the answers that my guests give me about my own body is astonishing. I’m embarrassed to admit what I did not know [both laugh] about how everything works and functions. Frequent listeners may have heard this before, but I still brush my teeth on one leg because Dr. Vonda Wright told me to, because it helps with your balance which begins to diminish, astonishingly, at age 17. I feel like I’ve benefitted from all the doctors on the show. Listeners, if you’ve missed any of the doctors, go back, they’re gonna blow your mind. I always think about Karen Dukess who said something on the show that really resonates with me, which is that she finally sat down at age 54 to write her first novel, which she published at 56, when the fear of not doing it well, which is what had stopped her for so long, was replaced by the fear of not doing it at all. And I think every single person listening right now can relate to that. We’ve all let fear stop us from trying something in our lives, but you get to a point where you’re like, now or never. I think about that all the time when I’m trying new things, you know, to this day. And, so she really sticks out in my mind as well, but I love all my guests.
Anita (21:14):
I love that quote. We don’t have to be perfect to just do it.
Katie (21:18):
Totally, just get going.
Anita (21:21):
Yeah. So, I have one last question for you.
Katie (21:24):
Great.
Anita (21:26):
I wanted to know, and I think you’ve answered this a little bit, but how has your experience doing this show, changed your take on aging, if at all? And how is it different than before you did the podcast?
Katie (21:41):
Mmm, so good. [both laugh]
Anita (21:45):
Move over Katie Fogarty.
Katie (21:46):
Exactly. Uh-oh.
Anita (21:47):
A new sheriff’s in town.
Katie (21:48):
Somebody’s gunning for the [both laugh]. I said at the top of the show, I started the show because it’s ridiculous that we can’t age out loud and I wanted to talk about that, and I meant it. I started the show for that reason, but having these last 50 weeks of conversations with women has sort of reoriented my DNA around what’s possible. Because the women that have come on my show are really knocking it out of the park in a variety of careers, across a variety of sectors, across a variety of creative projects. Women have started businesses. Merryl Brown came on to talk about a business she started 47 which she grew into a multimillion-dollar company after 13 years as a stay-at-home mom.
Anita (22:34):
Wow, amazing
Katie (22:34):
I had Terri Cheney come on to talk about her struggle with bipolar disorder and she left her legal career, wrote a book, sort of bared her soul, and became a New York Times bestseller, and this also happened in her late 40s. My guest this past week, Angie Kim, pivoted from law, she wrote a novel which she published at 50 and now she’s on her second. And by the way, I could talk to, there are more women than I could talk to than I have Mondays for. So, truly, this year has shown me so clearly that aging is absolutely no barrier to living the life you want to live, to your dream, to launching something. We can really get in our own way and this year, my experience creating this show has you know, deeply altered my DNA about what I think is possible in your second, third, fourth, fifth, chapter. Anything is possible.
Anita (23:35):
Well, you’re definitely a living example of that.
Katie (23:38):
Well, thank you, lady.
Anita (23:39):
Because this is just fabulous, fabulous I love it.
Katie (23:41):
Thank you. I know in a minute we’re gonna move to some audience questions, which I’m gonna read and I think we’re gonna back for a speed round, but before we do that I want to have some fun giveaways to put on the radar for our listeners. All week long, on our Instagram, which is @acertainagepod, I’ll be giving away books and treats and A Certain Age swag, because this is a party and it is not a party without party favors. So, head to @acertainagepod all week long for the fun. We’re gonna take a quick break and then we’ll be back with audience questions.
[Ad break]
Katie (25:23):
All right Anita, so we’re back from the break. I have a question that comes from multiple people actually. Becky, Natalie, Susan, they’ve all asked a version of: do you read every book on the podcast? And the answer to that is: almost. I almost do. My mom’s a librarian, my dad’s like a book junkie, we grew up reading. I try to read every book. If I can’t make it through every book, in the pre-call I’ll say what are the three or four chapters not to miss, and so I’ll read those before I come on. If I can’t finish a book before the show airs, I’ll finish it afterward. I love to read, so I mostly do that.
Okay, Dori asks: how do you handle the tech stuff? What microphone and what hosting platform? I’ll answer the quick and easy one. The hosting platform is Buzzsprout, there are a whole bunch of platforms, you can google them. The tech stuff is largely handled here in the studio by Dave Goldberg who records at Digital Waterworx studio and he does all the recording and editing for me which is amazing. I will let him if he’s there to quickly answer what microphones he uses and what he might recommend for home podcasters. Dave?
Dave Goldberg (26:36):
I get to be on the show!
Katie (26:37):
Yes, of course.
Anita (26:38):
Congratulations.
Dave (26:39):
We’re using some fancy stuff here in the studio because we do all sorts of productions here, not just podcasts. But there’s a great microphone that I’ve recommended to a lot of people who do podcasts at home or they’re starting up outside of a professional environment and it’s a microphone by a company name Shure, which is spelled S-H-U-R-E, and the model is the MV7, like the Michael Victor 7. Runs about $250. The nice thing about it is it’s got a USB connector on it and you plug it right into your computer, laptop, it even works with iPads or tablets, and you don’t need any additional hardware. You can actually plus your headphones right into the microphone as well to hear yourself. So, the Shure MV7 is the way to go. And then for software, you could use GarageBand, there’s a free recording program called Audacity. If you’re doing your podcast with other people and not just yourself, and you need to bring other people in, you can use Zoom, you can use Skype. I would, you know what, YouTube as you know, is a great resource for this stuff so you can: how do I record a podcast? And you’ll find tons and tons of videos.
Katie (27:52):
I love it. You can Google or YouTube anything. Thank you, Dave, that’s great.
Dave (27:56):
You’re welcome.
Katie (27:57):
And the last question comes from Laurie who asks: which episode had the most listeners? And Anita this was a question that you asked earlier, which I didn’t completely answer. So, the show with the most downloads to date was the show on sex and dating after marriage ends, where my guest Laura Friedman Williams came and joined me to talk about her memoir, Available. It’s interesting because I absolutely adored that show so it’s not surprising to me that it did so well. And in fact, when it wrapped, Dave was like, this was amazing, this is gonna do so well, and we were both right. She’s so warm and interesting and so candid, and so funny and so open about her experiences, both good and bad, about sort of reclaiming her sexuality after her marriage ended in a really crushing fashion. So that was really popular. I’ll do a little extra bonus here by saying episodes 2, 3, and 4, one of them is yours, vaginas— the vagina dialogues.
Anita (28:56):
How do you not listen to that? [both laugh]
Katie (28:58):
That did very well because most of my listeners have, you know…
Anita (29:02):
Vaginas.
Katie (29:03):
Vaginas. [Anita laughs]. Exactly. And then the episode on divorce, on navigating divorce performed really well, and so did great sex after 50. So those were some of the top shows.
Anita (29:14):
Very nice and not surprising.
Katie (29:17):
You know, you care about, relationships: relationships to your own body, relationships in your life.
Anita (29:22):
Absolutely. Are we ready for the speed round?
Katie (29:24):
Yes, let’s do it.
Anita (29:26):
All right. So these are quick, short, answers, right?
Katie (29:29):
Yes, I hope so. I can talk a lot.
Anita (29:34):
All right so, you, what podcast do you like to listen to?
Katie (29:39):
Smartless, totally hilarious.
Anita (29:40):
Hilarious, yes.
Katie (29:41):
And, How I Built This.
Anita (29:43):
How I Built This is?
Katie (29:44):
How I Built This is on NPR, it’s about people who built the brands that are household names.
Anita (29:50):
Wonderful. Who is your dream podcast guest?
Katie (29:55):
So hard. I’m gonna go with Michelle Obama. But I would also love to have Reese Witherspoon come on to talk about career reinvention, so Reese, Reese is number 2.
Anita (30:09):
I expect that for Season 4, [Katie laughs] just saying. What was your most embarrassing moment related to the show?
Katie (30:18):
Oh my gosh, Dave has seen a lot of speed bumps here, which we edit out. You know, I would say, most embarrassing moment, that’s really hard…
Anita (30:28):
Maybe uncomfortable?
Katie (30:29):
Uncomfortable…
Anita (30:31):
Challenging?
Katie (30:31):
Challenging, these are all such good words. I would say that at the beginning when I felt like it was new to me, it was a little challenging. The first couple of episodes, even though I enjoyed them all, it’s uncomfortable to try new things. You have to be willing to be uncomfortable to move forward, so I would say the beginning shows when I felt a little unsure of myself were challenging.
Anita (30:57):
Okay. And how, if you could use one word or a sentence, how would you describe your interview style?
Katie (31:06):
Conversational.
Anita (31:08):
Yeah, that’s definitely true. And then my last question is, what’s your word to describe your outlook on aging?
Katie (31:16):
Oh my gosh, so good, so good. Limitless.
Anita (31:19):
Yay. That’s excellent.
Katie (31:22):
Anita, thank you for asking me that, oh my gosh. I ask everyone that every week because I want sort of a snapshot of people’s perspectives. And I feel limitless at this stage.
Anita (31:34):
I love that and I loved that question, I love that question from your guests too.
Katie (31:38):
Thank you. Thank you Anita for making this birthday show so special.
Anita (0:31:43.1):
Thank you for sharing, happy birthday. [both laugh]
Katie (31:46):
This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women over 50 who are aging without apology. Don’t forget to join me over on Instagram for party favors all week long. We’re giving away books, treats, and a certain age swag, so stop by @acertainagepod for your party favor.
I want to close by thanking everyone who has helped play a role in making A Certain Age: Dave Goldberg of Digital Waterworx, for audio production and editing. Aveline Malek, who creates the show transcripts. Laurie Cotumaccio for PR and guest booking. Michael Mancini, who composed and produced our theme music. And special thanks to each of the amazing women who have come on the show as guests to share their stories, smarts, and sparkle. Thank you to Dr. Anita Sadaty for joining me today. I am so proud to be aging out loud with all of you. See you next time, and until then: age boldly, beauties.