Want a Career Do-Over? Author Alisha Fernandez Miranda Shares How a Year of Unpaid Internships Gave Her a Wildly Different Life
Show Snapshot:
Have you ever wanted a life do-over? In “My What If Year, Alisha Fernandez Miranda is about to turn forty and has summited the peak of personal and professional success; she has a Harvard education, a loving husband and children, and is CEO of an uber-successful company. But Alisha’s “good-on-paper-life” has a price—she’s overworked, exhausted, and wondering why having everything she’s ever wanted has her feeling like she’s missing something fundamental.
Alisha puts her CEO life on hold and spends a year doing unpaid internships in the dream jobs of her youth—Broadway, the London art world, a fitness studio, and a Scottish luxury hotel. The result? An exuberant, hilarious, yes-you-can! book on second chances and reinventing your life before it’s too late.
Show Links:
Alisha’s Book: My What If Year: A Memoir
Alisha’s Podcast: Quit Your Day Job
Quotable:
I had left so much behind in the dogged pursuit of the goal on paper, the thing that success meant. And all of the other things that I truly, truly loved at different stages of my life were casualties of my pursuit of success.
Transcript:
Katie Fogarty [0:03]:
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women who are unafraid to age out loud. If you are a regular A Certain Age listener, you know I have two jobs. I produce and host this podcast; I also run a career consultancy called The Reboot Group. What you may not know is in the way back era when women wore panty hose to work, I almost became a lawyer. I did wind up working as a morning TV news writer, a writer who would one day say “No” when my boss offered me an on-camera reporting job; my terror of public speaking stopped me in my tracks. I never regret not becoming a lawyer, but I do sometimes wonder what my life would look like if I’d said yes to the on-camera job. Do you ever think, what if? What if I said yes to this or pursued that? Followed a passion, took a chance, chased down a dream?
My guest today approached her 40th birthday and asked herself the question, what if? What if I gave myself a second chance. Please meet Alisha Fernandez Miranda, author of the coming of middle age memoir, My What If Year, which recounts how a busy CEO and mom of twins stepped back from her career to do a year of unpaid internships in the dream jobs of her youth. If you are in search of reinvention, inspiration, have ever looked at your life and wondered, what if there’s more? Or simply love stories of smart, plucky, self-deprecating, and hilarious heroines, this book and this show is for you. Welcome, Alisha.
Alisha Fernandez Miranda [1:34]:
Well, that was the best introduction ever. Thank you so much for having me!
Katie [1:38]:
[laughs] I am so excited. I tore through this book the moment it arrived. I had the feeling of like, sort of book envy, I wish I had written this book I wish I had lived this year.
Alisha [1:50]:
[gasps] Oh my god, thank you.
Katie [1:52]:
I’m really excited to explore this with you, and I would love to kick off by asking you to share with our listeners, what was the spark that made you write this book?
Alisha [2:01]:
So, I think the real spark... Well, I think it had been kind of building a long time, this feeling of, I had done all the things I was supposed to do, I had checked off all the boxes on my list of goals to achieve and I was feeling this real kind of empty, unhappy feeling and I hated that. I don’t like feelings that I can't control or get on top of, I don’t like a lot of things I can't control, that was a big learning for me of my what if year. And I was just desperately trying to figure out something to do.
So, the book starts, and really, I consider the spark of this story from this wonderful girls’ weekend, this stolen moment that I had with two of my best friends, my college roommates. Both of them had very young children, my two friends had babies under 1, my kids were a little bit older, my twins were around 8 years old at the time, and we got away from it all for a weekend and we had this really wonderful hazy night with a lot of martinis [Katie laughs] and we started talking about, what would we be doing if we could be doing anything? One of my friends that I was with that night, Laura, she had kind of done it, she had given up her job, she and her husband both worked in Silicon Valley, he worked for a big tech company, she worked for a nonprofit, and with their newborn baby they had quit their jobs and decided to go travel the world for a year. So, this was me catching her as part of this year, and we started having this discussion, and the thought came to me, I was like, you know what I would do if I could do anything? I would want to go work on a musical, and I would do literally anything they asked me to. I would fold playbills, I would clean toilets, I would get people coffees, I would do anything just for the opportunity to sit in and be a part of this and learn about what it is you actually do if you work on Broadway.
And so, this kind of snowballed into this discussion about what are all the jobs we wished we could do and didn’t do, and you know, hoped we still had time to do at some point. We had more and more martinis and eventually made our way to bed. And I woke up the next morning with a seed of this idea, these internships, this idea that I could go back and explore all these things I didn’t get a chance to do. And as a very offhand comment, Rebecca, my other roommate, said, "You should write a book about it.” And I was like “Ha-ha! That’s ridiculous!” [Katie laughs] But look where I am now.
Katie [4:27]:
I love it. It sounds like you had the right amount of martinis with the right friends because you came up with this incredible idea. The book chronicles your four internships, Broadway theatre, London Art Gallery, Scottish luxury hotel, and virtual fitness studio, and I loved every single one of these different chapters. I was curious; if you were to pick a favorite, what was your best experience? Or do you not play favorites because I know you’re a mom of twins and we don’t play favorites.
Alisha [4:58]:
Exactly. No, never, never, never fall prey to that question of who is your favorite child? I’ve learned that in my parenting years. You know, it would be so hard to pick just one because each experience was so unique, was extremely challenging in its own way, but also just really beautifully magical in this kind of gifted opportunity to go and do these things I never thought I was going to have the chance to do again.
I think if I had to pick one child, don’t tell the others, [Katie laughs] Broadway was just... That was like a once in a lifetime experience for me, I think. It was an opportunity that had been set up for me by a friend’s dad who reached out to a couple of his friends who were directing shows, one on Broadway and one off-Broadway, that were in rehearsals at different stages of the lead up to what they all thought was going to be an eventual spring 2020 opening, which of course didn’t end up happening. And they were just so generous with their time and their knowledge, they were happy to have me come in. They sort of said, “We don’t know where you’re going to be able to help but just come and make this your home away from home.”
So, I got on a plane, I went to New York without my husband, without my kids and every day I went and sat in on rehearsals of these two extraordinary musicals and it was you know, I don’t think, no matter what I go on to do in the future, and I certainly think I have a few more reinventions ahead of me, probably, I don’t know that anything will be as incredible as those first few days of sitting in those rehearsals and just thinking, I have always dreamed of this and now, I am here. Obviously ignoring the fact that there was an oncoming global pandemic that was just a few short weeks away at the time. If you take all of that out, it was just a completely unforgettable extraordinary experience.
Katie [7:00]:
I absolutely loved that chapter. I love your first day of work when you literally bump into Stephen Sondheim. You’re such a gifted writer that I felt like I was in the room with you. You really brought it to life, and it was so exciting.
I know that your book, when you move through these different experiences, you asked yourself, why didn’t I do some of this stuff earlier? Why am I getting to it in midlife? What got in the way for you from pursuing these things that you were so passionate about when you were younger?
Alisha [7:32]:
Gosh, I mean...
Katie [7:33]:
How long do we have, right? [laughs]
Alisha [7:35]:
I know. I’ve reflected a lot on this. I think that writing a memoir is a little bit like therapy, especially when you have an editor being like, “But no, why?! Why did you feel that way?” and I was like, "I don’t know, I don’t know. Maybe it was my dad. Oh my god, I had a breakthrough.” [Katie laughs] And it just all happens on the page, as opposed to on somebody’s sofa in an hourly session.
I think that I was so focused from pretty much as early as I can remember on achieving, on being the best, on setting goals and then going out to get the things I wanted. Whether it was innate, or whether it was external, more likely it was a combination of both, that just felt like this path that I was on. So, some of these things that I had dreamed of doing like my deep love for musical theater or wanting to be part of the art world, the visual arts, I think there were periods of time where they felt, this is too right brained, this is too creative, this is maybe something I’m not going to be good at, so I really need to be focused on the things that are going to help me get to whatever this imagined state was that I thought I needed to be, this place of the top of the mountain. I didn’t even know what it meant, but being on top of everything and feeling like, “Okay, now I’ve actually done it.”
And what I came to realize in the process of getting to that place and then going through this what-if year that I had, and the experience of reflecting on it after and writing the book, was that I had left so much behind in that really dogged pursuit of this one goal that I thought was the goal on paper, the thing that success meant. And all of these other things that I truly, truly loved at different stages of my life were casualties of my pursuit of success. And so, I think that was the big reason, I think I had just, I had put everything to the side to chase after this goal and then I got there and I was like, wait a minute.
Katie [9:36]:
Is this it?
Alisha [9:37]:
Yeah, this doesn’t feel how I thought it was going to feel. Is this all I’ve got?
Katie [9:42]:
I love that. I actually, Alisha, flagged a quote that you said in the book which was, "Over and over again I heard the same tiny question in my head: Is this it? It wasn’t that I didn’t have enough or even that I didn’t have everything I wanted. The problem was that I did have everything I wanted that I’ve worked to for so long.” And you had to ask yourself, why am I feeling this sense of dissatisfaction when on paper, everything looks amazing: I’m the CEO of a company I started, I went to Harvard. You scaled that mountain that you referred to and you got there and were like, I’m not sure if I love this view. I think a lot of women get to midlife and they get to that point where they have been good at following one lane and one line and then want to make a pivot.
We’re heading into a break but when we come back, I want to have you share with our listeners a little bit how you did make this pivot happen.
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Katie [12:02]:
Okay, we’re back from the break. We talked about how we often are scaling the mountain of success, or we put ourselves on one track, and we stay there doggedly because we’re being gold-star earners, or we’re trying to hit a certain goal. But if we do want to make a pivot, how did you enroll the people in your life in your What-If year? How did you manage to create all of these new opportunities to explore?
Alisha [12:32]:
So, I think the way that I think about my pivot was that... It feels now when I look back to that period, that crazy night of drinks was exactly 4 years ago this week, in fact, so I’m really, really thinking back on the time when this journey started. And in that time, my life now looks completely unrecognizable from what it did then, but I did not make like 180-degree turn on my toes and walk straight away pivot. I pivoted, like, 2 or 3 degrees at a time for a long period of time. I am a very risk-averse person, and I’m a very responsible person. I am never a person to leave my responsibilities at the door without a backup plan in place.
So, once I got over the mental hurdle of deciding, okay, this is a worthwhile thing to do, that I want to pursue these what ifs, I want to go do these internships, I want to take this year for myself in these small chunks that I had parceled it out in so carefully. Once I decided, okay, I’m going to do this, then there was all this practical scaffolding put in place to make sure that I could hold up all the parts of my life that I had constructed that were really relying on me to always be there and that they were going to be able to survive without me. That took a really long time, and it was not easy. It took months and months to convince my husband that he was going to be okay with the kids. We had this really wonderful nanny who had been with us for a long time, and she had resigned. She was going to travel the world and photograph, and I convinced her to stay one extra month, so I could go off to New York and do this and she was then going to head off after that. I had to step back from things I had committed to doing, I was the social chair of the parent council at my kids’ school, I had to say I wasn’t going to do that anymore. Mind you, I had been doing it for four years, so I think I had exceeded my term limit.
Katie [14:38]:
[laughs] You had earned your right to be sprung free from that.
Alisha [14:42]:
Exactly. But there I was, organizing the pancake breakfast and sitting with the headmistress who was saying, “Please, please don’t quit. Just take a break and come back.” But really, I broke everything down into very small pieces. What am I going to do today? What’s the small thing that’s going to happen? I’m going to send this one email to this one person. I’m going to spend 25 minutes on LinkedIn trying to find people who work in the art industry who might know somebody who can give me an internship opportunity. And it was just really small things at a time until all of a sudden, I looked back and I kind of had this whole thing planned out.
Then everything got thrown for a loop again because the pandemic turned 2020 on its head, but even when I had to revisit all my decisions and go back and say, what am I going to do now? It was the same thing: I’m going to do three things that are productive toward this goal. And you know, that is what got me there. I know some people love to leap headfirst and I’ve never been one of those people and no matter how many what if years I have, I don’t think I’ll ever fully be able to be one of those people. So, I definitely took the responsible approach to pivot, I guess. [laughs]
Katie [15:50]:
I love it. And you put your finger on this too, you were doing all this during the pandemic, so you had to reinvent your reinvention a number of times because plans and internships went sideways as the world changed overnight.
But I really love that you identified that small steps made big changes, and I love this notion of the 2 to 3%. We’re not doing a 180. We’re moving on a 3% axis today. I’ve had this theme on so many shows when you have fitness trainers come on, or people who have launched companies, or who have reinvented relationships; this notion of small incremental change can add up to big results as long as you’re persistent about moving yourself forward. I think that makes it so doable, and so I loved that you shared that your big, amazing year happened step-by-step.
What would you say to a listener...we’ve gotten them inspired to realize they can break down their goals and reinvention plans into small pieces. You were CEO of a company. You had 8-year-old twins, these can sort of present themselves..I don’t want to say roadblocks because having a family is amazing, and building a company is something to be proud of. But if somebody is having their own concerns around what they feel are insurmountable objections, how would you encourage them to think?
Alisha [17:26]:
I mean, I think, you know, I love my kids, and I’m very proud of what we accomplished in the company I built with my husband, but yeah, they did feel like barriers to achieving the thing I wanted, especially at that time when I was feeling really stuck. And so, I completely hear that.
I had this really wonderful coach, and you don’t have to do this with a coach; you can do it with a friend, and if you’re really disciplined, you can do it on your own. But she really pushed me. When I put the word “can’t” into a sentence, she really pushed me to ask why. So, if I said, “Well, I had this idea, but I can't leave the kids for 2 weeks.” And she was like, “Why? Why can't you leave the kids for two weeks?” I said, “Well, I organize everything, I pack the lunches, I get them to soccer practice and their after-school activities. I’m the one that has the phone numbers of all the babysitters. I’m doing all this, so I can't leave them.” Then we would really sit there, and she would keep pushing me. “Why can't someone else do that? Why can't your husband do that, why can't a friend do the pick-ups for a couple weeks? Why does it have to be you doing all of these things all the time?”
For a super controlling person like me, that was a revolutionary question because I had assumed that so much of the life that I had built, that I was the only person that could do it. When I really started to, with her guidance, ask myself, why do I think I can't do this and how much of that is real, and how much of it is imagined? You know, I started to strip away the barriers that were in my head, and then I was left with the practical ones, and frankly, there were a lot fewer of them and those were much easier to solve than these giant walls I had built up in my head that made me think, I could never possibly do this because it’s too big, it’s too risky, it’s too this. But actually, by asking myself why I thought that and really not sitting on an answer but really, really pushing to get to the root of it, it completely changed the way that I thought about what I could and couldn’t do.
Katie [19:27]:
I love that. You’re so lucky that you were working with a talented coach that helped guide you. This makes me think, in your chapter where you talked about your art gallery internship, you talk in that section about having this growing sense of optimism, this zest that’s stirring within you once again, and you referred to it as a pilot light. You were saying that it had always been in you waiting to be rekindled. So, for our listeners who might need coaching on how to fan the flames of their own inner spark, what would you share with them?
Alisha [19:58]:
Oh, that’s such a good question, and I’m not a coach. [Katie laughs] I’ve had the benefit of great coaching.
Katie [20:04]:
That’s your next internship, Alisha.
Alisha [20:05]:
Exactly, exactly. Take it with a grain of salt. But a lot of... I can remember when you read me that piece back, I remember that feeling; I can feel it again. And a lot of that for me, with that particular internship, was starting to spend time around art again, which was something that I had always loved doing. I feel like I spent half of my senior year of college, when I wasn’t out at various parties; I was in the MFA in Boston looking at the paintings, looking at the Sargent paintings, which I loved. Spending time with art. Sometimes, I would just go and sit there and read a different book. But to be surrounded by art was this thing that brought me so much joy when I was younger. And you know, life got in the way. I had kids, which meant that, my god, if you’ve ever tried to take toddler twins to an art museum, I did it once or twice. It was really...
Katie [21:03]:
Not for the faint of heart, not for the faint of heart.
Alisha [21:05]:
Exactly. There needs to be a large, rewarding cocktail after something like that is done. [Katie laughs] And so I stopped, stopped going, and stopped spending time there. And you know, having this internship was like an excuse to start going back to all these galleries and all these spaces where I was again surrounded by beautiful art, and I started to feel that feeling again of possibility, of excitement. And you know, I think my surroundings had a lot to do with it.
So, while I’m definitely not a career coach, I would say to the extent that you can put yourself in a situation where you are surrounded by something that inspires you. If you’re working a full-time job, maybe you hop into a museum, if that’s your bag, at lunch break, or you go to a lunchtime concert if you live in a city where that happens, or you sign up for an online class that is going to teach you something that you’ve, not for any reason beyond just being inspired, and enjoying it, and rekindling something that you love. That is what I would say to do. Because I think even just being in these galleries, and museums, and auction houses, I remembered, it was like muscle memory, I remembered this old part of me that used to get so excited by that, and you know, that came back little by little, it wasn’t gone. But I think physically putting myself in those spaces where I was able to be inspired again. I think that really did it for me.
Katie [22:29]:
I think that’s such wonderful advice, and I think people get that also from travel; you feel energized by being in new environments or inspired by the beauty of different parts of the world. I live on Long Island now, but I grew up in New York City, and when I’m back in Manhattan walking around, even if it’s just for an afternoon, the energy of the city is so invigorating. So, I totally get that. When you’re someplace different physically, it lights up different areas of your brain, so that’s wonderful advice.
Alisha, your book is so hilariously funny at times. There’s nothing like the humbling experience of being a 40-year-old intern, being in over your head, learning new things. You have a very funny story about Raisinets; everyone needs to read Chapter 10 and learn more about this thing. What was sort of the most humbling experience that you had? We don’t have to get into the whole Raisinets story. And what was the most surprising thing you learned during your year?
Alisha [23:29]:
Those are such good questions. Gosh, okay, I would say the most humbling set of experiences I had was doing my final internship, which was working at this beautiful hotel and restaurant called Kinloch Lodge on the Isle of Skye in Scotland. You know, I just thought I was going to be better at it than I was because I like being around people. I had worked in a bar, she says, flipping her hair casually, [Katie laughs] I worked at a bar in college. I thought that it was not going to be as difficult as it was and I really, truly felt my age in that internship. It was physically exhausting. My feet hurt, my arms hurt, and my bones hurt. I was just so tired, and I was so, so bad at it [Katie laughs], and I spent almost a month there, and I did not get any better, truthfully.
Like many businesses, after COVID and, of course, over here with the additional wrench in the plans of Brexit, hospitality businesses are struggling to recruit staff. And every time I go back to Skye, I’m like, “Guys, put me in coach. Do you want to put me back on a restaurant shift? I can do the dinner service tonight.” And they’re always like, “No, no, no, don’t worry. We’re fine.” They would rather have nobody there than have me in there doing that job. I spilled stuff on myself. I dropped plates of food. I almost set myself on fire once. I was so comically bad at everything I had to do, and that was so humbling because I am a person who had engineered my life to really lean into things I was good at. So, to sit here doing this job day after day that I was so truly bad it was, I mean, it was awful.
Katie [25:19]:
Alisha, I got fired. I was a waitress in college on Martha’s Vineyard, and I served Art Garfunkel coffee and slopped the entire cup into his saucer [Alisha laughs], and that was my last shift. They were like, “This isn’t working out,” I’m like, [wails] crying. It’s humbling. It’s humbling. It’s so hard, and by the way, it makes you a very good customer in the future because you realize how hard people work and wait staff who make it look easy and seamless are good at what they do.
Alisha [25:55]:
I mean, first of all, that is a hilarious story. They did not fire me. I think because I wasn’t getting paid, [both laugh] they couldn’t fire me because I was working for free. They probably would have thought about it, but, you know, my gosh, I really did... With love and respect to all of you guys there at Kinloch and to everybody that you had to serve, I’m sorry. You thought you were getting a luxury experience [Katie laughs], so sorry for that.
And then you asked what was the most surprising thing. You know, the thing with the overall process that surprised me the most was that I really had this idea at the beginning that I was going to do these internships, take these little breaks from my real life, and then I was going to be refreshed, and I was going to come back and get right on the same path that I was on before. And when that didn’t happen at the end of the process, when I got through these four internships, and I started to realize, I don’t think I want to go back to how things were before... Mind you. The whole world had also changed, so this idea of going back to a pre-COVID world at that time seemed impossible.
You know, maybe it seems silly if you’re reading the book, you can see it coming, be like, she’s definitely not going back to her old life. But that is not how it felt for me at the time. I really was so convinced that this was a little jolt that I needed, and I was going to get right back on the path, and now, the path is gone. I’m completely off-roading in the middle of a forest somewhere, picking mushrooms on the side, and I never ever would have thought that that was where I would be taking myself professionally, and I love it. It has been such an opportunity. I’ve tried things, and I’ve done things that I never imagined I would do, and I’ve been bad at many other things subsequently, but my god, I’m having a fantastic time doing it, so that was the biggest surprise. The biggest surprise was how much I was willing to change things once I got all the way through the process and realized, oh no, look at all these tiny degrees I’ve gone, I actually have gone 180 degrees, let’s just go, let’s go for it.
Katie [28:10]:
So, before we head into our speed round, what is that big change? How is your day-to-day life now so different than it was four years ago?
Alisha [28:20]:
So, I stepped back from my business. Don’t want to spoil the end of the book for all of y’all that are going to read it.
Katie [28:26]:
That’s true, that’s true. No spoilers.
Alisha [28:29]:
No spoilers. But professionally, I’m doing a bunch of different things and not really one full thing. I did step back as CEO. That’s why my bio says, “Ex-CEO,” and I spent some really good time transitioning the leadership of our business over to a brilliant CEO who is leading it now and staying on as chair. I’m still doing some work with several of the organizations that I interned with. So, just before this call, I got off the phone with Harry Blain, who was my contemporary art dealer boss during my internship, and we were discussing moving this particular Frida Kahlo work from one place to another. Earlier last week, I was helping Isabella from Kinloch Lodge recruit a new general manager because I still help out and do some stuff with them. And look, I’m on this podcast with you, and that was never something I thought was going to be part of my future, my journey. And you know, getting to write this book, hear how it resonates with people, meet the people that read it and just, you know, everything feels like a surprise, and no two days are the same.
Katie [29:41]:
I love that, I love that.
Alisha [29:43]:
I’m lovin’ it. I’m loving it all.
Katie [29:44]:
As you should. This book is such a joy. It was such a treat to read. I blazed through it because I kept wanting to know what was going to happen next. I truly loved it. And I think for me, the big takeaway is that you don’t have to know how it’s going to end to get started. And it sounds like that’s what’s happened for you. You’ve been put on these new paths, and you didn’t anticipate those when you began. Anyone who is listening who is thinking, I want something new in my next chapter, just get going! You’ll never know where the road is going to take you until you start walking on it.
Alisha, we are moving into our speed round. We always end on this high-energy note because I could talk to my guests forever, and it is fun to have these one-to-two-word answers.
So, let’s do this. Writing My What If Year was _____.
Alisha [30:34]:
Exhilarating.
Katie [30:36]:
Nice. If I could have done a fifth internship, it would have been in this field: _____.
Alisha [30:41]:
Disneyworld.
Katie [30:43]:
I hope I never have to do this task from my What-if year again: _____.
Alisha [30:49]:
Serving a tray full of drinks to anybody.
Katie [30:51]:
[laughs] I feel you on that one. A surprising skill I acquired during my What-if year: _____.
Alisha [30:59]:
A lot of new vocabulary. That’s more than two words. I cheated.
Katie [31:02]:
That’s all right. Interesting.
Alisha [31:04]:
New vocabulary, that’s two words, new vocabulary.
Katie [31:06]:
Yeah, I get that, a whole new work jargon. You are now a pro at asking yourself, What if? What is your next What-if adventure for 2023? And it doesn’t need to be limited to work.
Alisha [31:18]:
Stand-up paddleboarding.
Katie [31:19]:
Ooh, I love it, I love it. Can you do that in Scotland? Is there enough warm water?
Alisha [31:23]:
Oh yeah, I have a wetsuit. No, there is no warm water. [Katie laughs] But I have gloves, a hat, boots, a wetsuit.
Katie [31:32]:
You’re ready.
Alisha [31:33]:
And a strong motivation to not fall off because the water is so cold.
Katie [31:36]:
That’s true. That’s a good core workout. You’re like, "I’m not hitting that icy cold loch."
Alisha [31:41]:
Exactly. [laughs]
Katie [31:43]:
Finally, your one-word answer to complete this sentence: As I age, I feel _____.
Alisha [31:48]:
Grateful.
Katie [31:49]:
Grateful. I love it. This has been such a treat. First of all, I felt like I knew you before we even started this conversation because this book is so wonderful and amazing, and I’m excited to have spent time with you. I want you to direct our listeners to how they can find out more about you and your work and the book.
Alisha [32:08]:
Thank you so much. So, I am, for my sins, on Instagram all the time, my handle is @AlishaFMiranda, or you can go to my website, which is AlishaFMiranda.com, and find out all the various internships I might be up to next there.
Katie [32:23]:
Perfect, I’ll put those all in the show notes.
This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women who are aging without apology. Join me next Monday when Dr. Kelly Casperson gives us the 101 on midlife sexual health, intimacy, and the science of desire.
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