Unlock Joy, Fuel Resilience (and Find the Perfect Dress) with the Power of Prayer
Show Snapshot:
Do you want more inner peace and unshakable resilience? Consider tapping into the power of prayer (no organized religion required).
Prayer is an ongoing conversation with something larger than yourself—and can unlock peace and inner strength, says bestselling writer Agapi Stassinopoulos author of Speaking with Spirit: 52 Prayers to Guide, Inspire, and Uplift You.
We cover the power of prayer to manage modern life, manage stress, fuel resilience and help you find the perfect dress. Yes, really!
In This Episode We Cover:
1. What is prayer? And why the power of prayer is for everyone even if you are not religious.
2. Time to rethink prayer – it can be a breath, a smile, a though, or a journal entry.
3. Prayer unlocks joy, vitality, peace of mind (and may help you find the perfect dress). No, really!
4. How prayer shifts your mindset to give you energy to find your own solution.
5. Use prayer to navigate life’s challenges: job hunting, divorce, illness, caring for aging parents, and more.
6. A prayer for overcoming the trap of perfectionism.
7. No one is promised tomorrow, how prayer can help you focus on the joy of the present.
8. How to pray to put the day to rest.
Quotable:
Prayer is asking for that inner resilience, for that inner strength. Unless you ask for it, it’s not going to show up. So much of our struggle in the middle of our fear or our paralysis, is to pretend, “Oh it’s okay, I can just muscle up and keep going.” Why muscle up and keep going when you can really reach into your source?
Heaven is not a location, it's a vibration.
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Speaking with Spirit: 52 Prayers to Guide, Inspire, and Uplift You
Transcript:
Katie Fogarty (0:07)
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women who are unafraid to age out loud. You do not need me to tell you that we’re living in a time of flux, dynamic change, fear, uncertainty, possibility, and if we’re lucky, hope. All month long on A Certain Age, we’ve been talking about the systems that support and guide us as we navigate life in a new year; from a sense of purpose, to sleep, to nutrition. I am thrilled to welcome a guest today who shares a big idea, perhaps the biggest idea, for feeling supported and vital in every aspect of your life. I’m talking about the power of prayer.
Best-selling author, speaker, meditation expert, and joyful spirit Agapi Stassinopoulous joins me to talk about her latest book, Speaking with Spirit: 52 Prayers to Guide, Inspire, and Uplift You. Whether or not you practice organized religion, Agapi’s book offers ideas for how prayer can be available to anyone as a way to unlock greater awareness and inner strength in daily life. I am so excited to explore this topic today. Welcome, Agapi.
Agapi Stassinopoulous (1:13):
Thank you so much, Katie and what a wonderful subject you’re bringing to the forefront. I love everything about [laughs] what you say.
Katie (1:21):
Aww, that’s so nice to hear. I’m very, very excited. This is something that I’ve been really wanting to address for a long time. When I saw that your book was published I got really lit up about the idea of having you and I’m so grateful that when I reached out, you said yes.
Agapi (1:35):
Absolutely, a hundred percent.
Katie (1:37):
Well, I would love to open our time together with just some quick stage setting because this is your fifth book. Why did you write this book about prayer and what is prayer to you?
Agapi (1:47):
Yes, very briefly, I will sum it up to you and our wonderful listeners why this book came to me. Since I was a young girl, a teenager, Arianna, my sister, and I were raised in Greece. My mother raised us with a foundation of spirituality; we did yoga when we were simple teenagers, we meditated, and she told us how much life was to be celebrated and connected with yourself and your spirit. She was deeply spiritual but not religious. So, I want to make the distinction because I love religion for the people who have their own faith and their own practices. But with this book, I wanted to really address the people who don’t have a particular denomination. Do you know what I’m saying?
Katie (2:44):
Yes, I do. Yes.
Agapi (2:47):
And to me, these are a lot of people who might not even believe in anything other than, “This is it,” or people who might say, “I believe in something but I cannot name it.” So, the people who say, “I practice meditation but I don’t really pray.” So, there’s the gamut, you know.
And at the age of 23, I moved to Los Angeles from London to do a movie, I was trained as an actress you know, and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts. The movie didn’t work out, it fell through, I was given my ticket back to London and I decided and made a life choice decision to stay in Los Angeles. That lead me to hours of yoga, reading every spiritual book I could find because I was feeling very disconnected from my family in England, and my friends and I started to really reach out to my spirit. I didn’t even believe in God, Katie, at all, I didn’t name God. I’m 23, I want to be an actress, I want to act, I want to have a life.
And I had a spiritual awakening which I very clearly describe in every book, Unbinding the Heart, Wake Up to the Joy of You, and of course this book, at the very beginning I describe my spiritual awakening. What I mean by spiritual awakening is a knowing, an inner knowing, that I am connected to God. Let me just define how I view God. I view what we say God as something larger than ourselves. And I feel that we are all alive because of the miracle of our lives, we have 36 trillion cells that are making us right now. So, that, to me, is the life force, God, the intelligence of the universe.
The part of us that is disconnected is the human part, the emotions, the thoughts, the mind, the body. And because we do not really see the invisible, we don’t see the soul, the spirit, but we sense it. And I always say, you can totally awaken it by coming present in your breath, your breath is your portal to your calm, to your spirit. And even right now as I’m speaking, please connect with your breath because we take about 28,000 breaths a day, but we never consciously take our breath. Actually, we don’t take our breath, we receive the breath. So, right now as Katie and I are speaking, allow yourself to relax, allow yourself to connect to your breath, slow down your breath, deepen your breath, and come more align in your heart.
So, from that moment of my spiritual awakening, I was led to my spiritual teacher in Los Angeles, John-Roger, who passed away four years ago, but the teachings are very much alive and the practice is about the light and so transcendence. The teachings are still well and alive and there is a lot of spirituality in the community of supporting each other and bringing the teachings alive. So, I learned from that very young age to call upon the light and my prayer was— I learned before I start my day, or before I went to an audition, before I went to a meeting or before I went to bed, I would always say this Katie: I ask for the light of the spirit to fill me, surround me, and protect me.
Katie (6:38):
That’s so beautiful.
Agapi (6:38):
And I release any negativity, any disturbances, any worries, any future negative expectations, I release them into the light and to the nothingness, they came from. Very simple, very direct. The human Agapi is evoking the spiritual Agapi. So, I learned that from a very young age and I cannot tell you the hundreds and thousands of moments where my friends, my sister, my nieces, my good friends, we would reach out to each other and say, “Hey, I’m about to get on a call, it’s a very important call, please send the light," or, “Let’s call in the light.” And the miracle that happens, my friends, is your energy shifts from the worry, from the holding, from the pressure, from the angst, because you are offering it and that is what I mean by prayer. So, does that make sense? Am I making myself very clear?
Katie (7:44):
Yes, no I love the way first of all, that you say prayer is an offering and this notion of calling upon the light. One of the things that struck me about your book, about Speaking with Spirit, is that you make prayer feel very accessible and joyful. You have a chapter called, “God Help me Laugh Again.” Because oftentimes, people I think in modern life associate prayer with asking for help in dark times, but you really focus on how prayer can add joy. Can you tell us more about that?
Agapi (8:13):
Absolutely. It can add joy, vitality, it can give you solutions to every little thing in your life. I mean, people say that’s too trivial to pray, like okay I’m going to one friend of mine was saying, "Oh I’m going to this wonderful wedding, I have nothing to wear,” and I said, “Let’s pray about it, let’s pray that you find the perfect outfit.” So, why do you think spirit won’t help you with that? Because that’s too unimportant for me? Who says that? I bring it to every moment in my life when I feel the support. Not only to ask, I want this and I want that. I ask for the energy to help me shift my perspective, to help me open up the fields of vision so I’m able to see the solution. Do you get what I’m saying?
Katie (9:07):
Yes, yes.
Agapi (9:08):
That’s what you’re asking the spirit to do. It’s not like, “Well, I need a loan,” let’s say, “for my mortgage.”
Katie (9:15):
[laughs] It’s not a genie in a bottle, you’re not rubbing the genie’s bottle and getting three wishes but you’re getting the energy to affect the change in your life that you want.
Agapi (9:22):
Exactly. And you say, for example, I had a disagreement with a friend and I’m disturbed, so what are you asking for? You’re asking to feel better, to resolve the disagreement, to let go of the judgment, to bring you awareness. Why did the disagreement happen? What does this friend mean to you? Is this something that you need to course-correct? So, it’s about enlightenment, it’s about bringing the energy to help your soul, your consciousness becomes more clear, more directed, greater intention.
I cannot tell you how many times I might be in a meeting let’s say when we had meetings [both laugh] remember the days we used to sit around and see people? And I would feel the negativity from somebody, or I would feel the stuckness, or I would feel somebody resisting or somebody saying no, we don’t want to do it that way. I would say quietly, “Spirit, please bring the energy here to transform this negativity, to transform this mindset that these people are expressing and bring me peace so I’m not invested in the results.” Whatever it is you want, but be creative and be a little more resourceful than just— it’s a conversation with the universal energy, let’s put it this way. And the reason I call it prayer is because it really brings you incredible vulnerability and humility. And you know Katie, the reason we don’t pray is that as adults, we feel silly. Oh, I feel silly to just ask for this, you know. And we go about our business on our own. But I say, excuse me, who is moving you, who is breathing you? Ever once brush your hair and wash your hair and say, “My gosh, who made my hair?” I was at the doctor’s for my eye, I had an eye infection the other day, and he takes pictures of my eye and you look at the nerves and you say, “Oh my god, who made this eye? It’s a miracle.”
Katie (11:40):
It is a miracle. In the signature of all things, you can see the universal energy, God, the thing that is bigger than you, in every aspect of your life but we don’t often bring intention around that. One of the things I really enjoyed about this book too is that you offered really concrete ways that people can be in conversation, can be in prayer in their daily life. We have to take a quick commercial break but when we return I want to talk about that.
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Katie (13:19):
Okay Agapi, we’re back. You call prayer and conversation which I adore that notion of because that feels really accessible. When we think about conversation, we’re constantly in conversation in our daily life and your book offers ways that you can incorporate prayer into those moments. And also in moments when we need inner strength because you have a chapter on using prayer for things like job interviewing or navigating divorce, managing illness, caring for aging parents. I thought this was so brilliant and practical because these are times when we really do need to call upon strength, this is a terrific time. Can you share a little bit about how prayer helps you unlock that inner strength?
Agapi (14:01):
Yes, and I think especially now Katie, with a pandemic and the unknown of all of us, we’re all in it and we don’t know how this virus, we know it’s spreading but we don’t know how rapidly, what else it will bring. I mean, we’re constantly being on the alert. So, right now is a time to really ask for that inner resilience, for that inner strength. Unless you ask for it, it’s not going to show up. So, I feel so much of our struggle and our challenge is to really dare in the middle of our fear or our paralysis, as I call it, and pretend, “Oh it’s okay, I’m not that bad I can just keep muscle up and keep going.” Why muscle up and keep going when you can really reach into your source? Reach into your source and these prayers, I wrote them during the pandemic, I wrote this book, when I was in Los Angeles and we left New York to go and be in LA and I was in a very, very difficult emotional place because I was missing life as I had known it, like all of us, especially if you’re an extrovert like me, and I’m a Greek extrovert [Katie laughs] who loves people. I love eating with my friends, dancing, and events. Oh my god, suddenly there was nothing, nothing, not a friend, just my family. I had to go deeper in the spirit and I had to find it, and I found it. That’s why I’m like Archimedes, getting out of the bathtub, running around going “Eureka! Eureka!” [Katie laughs]
I have such passion to say, please speak your prayers, keep a journal by your bedside, write your name, Katie’s prayers, Agapi’s prayers. I have a journal called Agapi’s Prayers. I had it embossed at a beautiful leather store and I have volumes of it, and I write. I write at night, I write from my soul, I say, Spirit guide me, tell me what I need to know, show me how to handle this situation. And very often, you know, spirit will support you in the most extraordinary way. When you start to catch that spirit in you when you start to quieten the mind because as my spiritual teacher says, “Heaven is not a location, it is the vibration.” You can literally be in a portable paradise, you can literally right now as I’m speaking to you, you can raise your vibration, you can quieten the emotions, you can quiet the mind, the thoughts that stop us from experiencing the higher energy. You can do your breath, you can actually go deeper with your breath, start to elongate your spine, feel your spine elongating. Touch the top of your head. So often, we live in our heads but we’re not in our bodies. Touch and tap the top of your head. Why the top of your head? Because that’s the crown chakra, that’s where the energy is. Put your hands in your heart and just say, I ask right now, here I am with Agapi and Katie, I exhale my worries, I exhale the unknown possibilities that I’m so scared of. I exhale my anxieties and I evoke, I own the spirit, let the spirit show me my next opportunity. Let the spirit bring me the joy that’s available. And I ask that I receive the guidance, the inspiration, the enlightenment that I need. Surprise me. Start to smile, smile inside and smile outside and go about your day and see if your day does not change.
Katie (18:04):
You have such a beautiful way of phrasing prayer. I grew up in the Catholic faith and I went to Catholic schools, I went to church, I was married in the church, I raised my children baptized, confirmed, but I have let my faith practice lapse for a number of reasons that I’m not gonna get into. But when I hear the word “prayer” I immediately think of kneeling in a pew. [Agapi laughs] Or perhaps saying prayers before bed when you were young. But this notion of having this beautifully embossed book and writing things down, the notion of tapping into the power of breath as an experience of prayer, the notion of having joy or a smile be an experience of prayer, feels so much more accessible. I want to just take one minute now and share with the listeners who have not yet read this book—and by the way, everybody needs to go buy it and put it by your bedside, I will tell you where to get it at the end of the show.
Agapi (19:06):
Speaking with Spirit. Tell them the title because I love the title.
Katie (19:09):
Exactly, Speaking with Spirit. So everybody needs to get Speaking with Spirit and put it by their bedside or on their desk as sort of a touchstone. But the book shares wonderful snippets from Agapi’s life and other people’s lives, but then it also has prayers in each chapter. So, I would love to give our listeners just a taste of what it’s like. Because there are actual prayers that you suggest or offer, either to be used for themselves, or to be used as kind of a framework to modify, create, and make your own. So, if I could ask you to pick maybe a few lines of one to share with our listeners, I would love that.
Agapi (19:45):
For example in Chapter 18, I call it “The Imprisonment of Perfectionism,” and that’s one of the reasons we don’t pray, because we feel, Oh my god, there’s this omnipotent, powerful, amazing, unknown mysterious, mystical universe and why am I going to pray? Who am I to pray? Do I know the right words? And you go, Yes, you do, because you’re made out of that stuff, you’re made out of the essence, you’re made out of the stardust basically, you’re made out of whatever the universe is made, so are you. So, the most exciting thing to me in life is to discover that power, to tap it, to own it, to write it, to harness it, to embody it and to me, it’s not in the teachers out there because we also put all these teachers on a pedestal, “Oh they have it, look at that, they have such a big following on the social media, they’re bestsellers, oh they must know.” No, you know, you know. God didn’t put us and say A, B, C, D, and E will have it and you the rest don’t have it. [laughs]
Katie (20:52):
Right, we all have this within us, we just need to tap.
Agapi (20:55):
So, “The Imprisonment of Perfectionism” is a chapter that really deals with my you know, my desire to be perfect when I was little and why that happened and I tell my story. But all of us, especially women, as we age, we feel even more, “I’m not perfect, the perfect look, my skin is sagging, my wrinkles, my you know, my cellulite," et cetera, et cetera. That’s the physical, let alone all the other elements that we can go to. So, we shut down and we become like we have a straitjacket around us for God’s sake.
So, I wrote this prayer that says, “Dear Beloved,” and I start every prayer with "beloved" because I feel we are beloved and the soul is beloved and I address the beloved in me. So:
Dear Beloved, I see how my desire for things to be perfect and harmonious is costing me my well-being, my freedom, and my peace. I recognize the deep fear in me, that if I let go, I relax and let things be as they are, sometimes messy and unpredictable as life mostly is, everything would fall apart, including me.
And then it goes on about owning your idea of perfectionism, and you surrender it. And then I say:
I ask for a deeper and higher sense of presence. Come, yes, divine perfection, yes, of each situation, so that I may make unconditional love more important than anything. In truth, I don’t know how to do this, the most I can do is to admit that my perfectionism is preventing me from living fully in joy. I ask to let go, how I think things should be, elevate my consciousness and see the perfection in how things are.
And then I say:
May I experience more gratitude in the midst of turmoil and give myself the space to release my judgments of myself that tell me I’m not enough and turn my attention instead to the beauty to be found in my life’s imperfections. Ahhh, I exhale. I exhale again and I let my breath fill me, surround me, I experience the unbinding of the ties that have closed me in, and now I can let myself really be, let myself really breathe and be in my perfect, divine, expression.
Katie (23:26):
So beautiful. I feel like I need to put a sticky note on Chapter 18 and turn to [Agapi laughs] that every day because it’s such a beautiful way and there’s so much power to articulating this vision. You had me at “costing me my peace” because there is that sense that we let many things cost us our peace, we don’t surrender and experience joy and that prayer is so beautiful and so needed. And Speaking With Spirit is full of, each chapter. Let me quickly look, I’ve got the book in front of me. There are 52 chapters, there are 52 prayers, that’s in the subtitle, there are 52 offerings that you can incorporate into your life across a range of topics, and they’re all so beautiful.
Agapi (24:15):
Like Chapter 25, “You’re Bigger Than Your Fear.” You know, I mean, I love that, we don’t have time for me to read it. I mean, I have a prayer here for feeling like an outsider. How many people feel, I don’t belong, I don’t belong. Prayer of the discouragement trap, when you feel discouraged, I go to people okay, let us pray.
Katie (24:36):
Agapi, I have to tell you that I was attracted to Chapter 38 which was “How to Lose An Argument and Still Be Okay.” [both laugh] I feel like I should read that and let my husband know that I’m working on it because I like to be right and I think a lot of us have that and this book is full of—
Agapi (24:57):
You should name the chapter, “How to Lose An Argument and Realize That My Husband is Wrong.” [both laugh] And have my husband realize that he is really wrong. [both laugh]
Katie (25:09):
I am here for that prayer, that is so hilarious. But the book is, I love it because again I said earlier, just my sort of Catholic faith made me think that prayer is rooted in something, it felt very formal, it was in a pew, somebody knew best. And this is a way of praying and incorporating it into all different aspects of your life and I found it so wonderful. I want to ask you about something that you said—
Agapi (25:33):
I love that. I love that you said that. I love that, I love that, yes.
Katie (25:35):
Good. But you said something in your book about how the Bible, and I know this is not your book, Speaking with Spirit is not rooted in any faith, it’s available to everybody but you do say that there is a phrase in the Bible that talks about "praying insistently" and I thought that was so intriguing. What does that mean?
Agapi (25:54):
I love that. It means 24/7. If you think about it, 24/7 we’re being breathed and none of us know when we’ll take our last breath, none of us, that’s an extraordinary thing to realize. When we go to bed at night, we don’t know if we’re going to wake up in the morning. It’s wonderful that we do, but that awareness, that every breath can be a prayer. Even if you just go around one day and you say, “Thank you.” And you take one day and you just say thank you to everything; thank you for this computer, thank you for the conversation, thank you for my tea, thank you for the cup that holds my tea, thank you for the chair, thank you for all the people who made this chair. I mean you can just have fun and say thank you, that is a prayer. That is prayer because life gave us life. And in a way, the only way we can give back is by saying thank you.
Katie (26:58):
And it’s an offering as you said earlier in the show, that a prayer is something— and I also think that’s something that really resonates with me because it’s not simply about asking, it’s about giving. You’re giving thanks, you’re expressing gratitude, and I feel like that makes prayer feel… I dunno, I just have a different relationship to it now.
Agapi (27:19):
That’s what I really wanted to show people because prayer has become, has a stigma almost like as you said. An Indian friend of mine said, “Well we would go to the temple and for hours do these prayers,” and he said, “I was eleven, I was bored." So, he just didn’t like prayer until he discovered it in his own way. And you know, that’s why I say, for those who worship through religious faith, a denomination, great. And if it works for you, great. But if you’ve tried that and that hasn’t worked for you and then you discarded everything with it, let’s reconvene, let’s re-evaluate, let’s rethink prayer now and see it as Rumi and Hafiz and Kabir said: it is the lover, it is the inner lover. And that’s how I see it. Kabir, there’s a great phrase from Kabir, says, “Oh master tell us what is prayer.” And he says, “It is the breath within the breath.” Isn’t that beautiful? So between there are pauses and that’s where the jewel of your soul is hidden.
And I want to add that, my friends, when your heart is open, then the prayer, it doesn’t matter what the words, it doesn’t matter what you’re asking for, you get filled because you dare to go into the vulnerability of your heart. And that’s where I think the strength and the beauty lie, that you know, it’s in the loving Katie, we go back to the loving. Anything that is not of loving and we shut down is of the ego and the personality and the righteousness and the thought and the emotions. But when you go back to your loving and your sweetness, you are heard. And it’s vulnerable, it’s unadorned, there’s a nakedness to it. But hey, it’s a much better way to live than being protected—I mean than being guarded and cemented in your little self. That’s what I really eventually say, and that when you meditate, when you sit down to reflect, speak out your wishes. Just say you know, “I’m tired, I don’t know where to go, I’m feeling that I’m not really getting ahead in my life,” or whatever it is that you’re feeling. Bring your feelings to the altar, write them down, speak them. You’ll say, who am I speaking them to? You’re speaking them to your life, to your God, you’re speaking them to the spirit that is making you.
Katie (30:22):
And to yourself, and to yourself.
Agapi (30:25):
Thank you, and to yourself, exactly.
Katie (30:27):
You’re committing to yourself to what you care about what to work for and where you want to put your energy.
Agapi (30:34):
Yeah, and it is a relationship with yourself, ultimately. It’s you and you. It’s your high self and your low self. It’s the bridge. Prayer, the words, the intention is the bridge to feel the connection and basically, what prayer becomes is a tool to bring more awareness that you’re always connected to something larger.
Katie (31:01):
I love that, that’s such a beautiful way of thinking about it, as a bridge.
We are going to be moving into our speed round because our time is coming to an end but before we do, I do want to ask you: has the process of aging changed your relationship to prayer? Or to faith in any way?
Agapi (31:17):
Well, I feel I’m reaching out more to my inner self, let’s put it this way. I’m reaching out more to the inner worlds, to my teacher. I’m reaching more to my soul because I know that the time will come that I will leave this body and I will go to my soul, so I might as well get to know where is my soul. [laughs] So I feel more of a focus, let’s put it this way, and that the world in a way doesn’t grab me as much, the thoughts, the people, what are people going to think? How am I doing in the world? It’s like, I’m doing Agapi, I’m doing Agapi a hundred percent of my inner riches, where I go into my inner riches and then share them in the world. So, there is a different dynamic, I think that’s what happens as you age, did you find that? That you gotta get more connected to your inner self.
Katie (32:24):
I love that, thank you so much, that’s such a beautiful note to end on.
I do want to move into the speed round because I had so many questions for you about the different prayers and I know that these shows are short and we can’t cover everything so I always like to close with some quick ba-da-bing, ba-da-bang answers where it’s one to two words or a short sentence that helps us have more conversation. So, I would love a one-word answer to complete this idea: prayer gives me a sense of _____.
Agapi (32:54):
Peace.
Katie (32:55):
Writing Speaking With Spirit: 52 Prayers to Guide, Inspire, and Uplift was _____.
Agapi (33:02):
Was a gift to write and to share.
Katie (33:06):
A prayer I return to regularly is _____.
Agapi (33:09):
How to put the day to rest.
Katie (33:12):
Ooo, I love that.
Agapi (33:14):
That’s a beautiful prayer, you should read it.
Katie (33:16):
Do we pray out loud? In our heads? Where do we pray?
Agapi (33:20):
We pray out loud, we pray silently, we pray through writing, we pray with each other. We just pray.
Katie (33:27):
And, my final one, a prayer I would like to make for the world at this moment in time is _____.
Agapi (33:34):
Let each human being awaken to their own inner power that the spirit breathes and leaves in them, as them.
Katie (33:46):
So beautiful.
Agapi (33:47):
So that there is no separation, there is no separation.
Katie (33:49):
Thank you so much.
Agapi (33:51):
Oh, Katie, thank you, thank you so much.
Katie (33:52):
This has been such a joy, such a joy, and a treat.
Agapi (33:54):
I also want to share with your listeners, I have an email that I give out that you can write to me, I have some meditations that I send out, but if you get the book and you have some thoughts about it or if you would like to post a review wherever you get the book, I would love that. And if you would like to take a picture of yourself and the book and post it on social media, or if you would like to speak one of the prayers in the book, I love to hear you say them. These are your prayers, I’ve put them out for you. And my email is agapi@unbindingtheheart.com. So, send me an email, I can send you some meditations and send me your thoughts and your prayers yourself.
Katie (34:48):
And Agapi’s website, her Instagram, and social media handles will be put into our show notes, listeners can go find those on acertainagepod.com so you can continue to follow her work, find her books, and sign up for her newsletter. Thank you Agapi.
Agapi (35:03):
Thank you so much. Thank you to all the listeners. Have a beautiful day wherever you are, make it a joyful one.
Katie (35:11):
This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women who are aging without apology. Join me next Monday when we kick off our February shows and our focus on love, intimacy, and reinvention. And join me Friday, February 4th for a BOOK LOOK on Instagram Live. I’ll be talking to Christine Marie Mason, a former A Certain Age guest, and the founder of wellness company Rosebud Woman. Christine will be talking about her latest book Reverence: Creating Ritual in Modern Life. We’re doing author book looks on the first Friday of every month, all year long. Learn about the book looks by following A Certain Age pod on Instagram @acertainagepod, or by signing up for our free weekly newsletter, AGE BOLDLY over on the pod website, acertainagepod.com. AGE BOLDLY also shares weekly doses of micro joys, midlife inspiration, and news not to miss.
Special thanks to Michael Mancini who composed and produced our theme music. See you next time and until then: age boldly, beauties.