The A-to-Z on Cosmetic Dentistry, Oral Care Health + Teeth Whitening with Dentist Dr. Julie Cho
Sponsored by Elektra Health
Show Snapshot:
Keep your smile radiant for the long run with ideas for your midlife mouth from dentist Dr. Julie Cho. Because guess what? Aging changes your teeth and gums too!
Dr. Cho decodes teeth whitening options (ranging from toothpastes to LED kits, to in-office treatments), shares her favorite toothbrush brands, and helps us amp up our oral care game, with foods to eat (and avoid) to keep your smile smiley. Plus, the link between menopause, aging, and your tooth and gum health.
In This Episode We Cover:
How aging changes our mouth and oral care needs.
Top teeth-staining foods, plus, how aging impacts tooth color.
Gum recession, wear, and tear, chipped and discolored teeth—what to know, how to fix.
Are electric toothbrushes superior to manual brushes?
Demystifying tooth whitening (toothpaste, LED strips, in-office treatments).
Veneers, Invisalign. Adult braces – options for a dream smile.
Smart lifestyle habits to keep your smile radiant for the long run.
Surprise! This toothsome food is tooth-friendly.
Oral care dos and don’ts.
Menopause and your mouth.
Dr. Cho’s toothbrush brand picks.
Quotable:
Your mouth is a gateway to your overall health, that’s where it all starts. We have seen patients who are debilitated because they have so much tooth pain or tooth destruction.
With a manual brush, you get up to 300 strokes per minute. With an electric brush you can get thousands, even ten thousands of strokes per minute and all you really need to do is just glide it along your teeth.
Transcript:
Katie Fogarty (0:04):
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women who are unafraid to age out loud. Here’s a shocking statistic: more than half of all Americans skipped their annual dentist visits during the pandemic. Woah! Time to pay attention to the pearly whites, especially as we age since our mouth and teeth change, just like the rest of us.
My guest today has ideas for keeping your smile radiant for the long run, plus why oral health is a key building block in overall wellness. Dr. Julie Cho has practiced general, restorative, and cosmetic dentistry for over 20 years, is a member of the American Dental Association and is a frequent contributor to Refinery29, Self, Yahoo, and Prevention magazines. An expert in oral care trends and products, she is here to help us amp up our toothbrushing routine and keep our smiles, smiley. Welcome, Julie.
Dr. Julie Cho (0:56):
Thank you very much, I’m happy to be here.
Katie (0:58):
Yeah, I’m really excited. All of my shows when I feature doctors and wellness professionals do really well because people want tools. We’re excited about this chapter of our lives, we wanna be living vibrantly and feeling well. So, my first question really is some stage setting. How does aging change teeth and gums and our oral care needs?
Julie (1:22):
So, with aging there’s just a higher likelihood of wear and chipping in the teeth. Remember the teeth will also get darker, not necessarily due to extrinsic staining—which is what you accumulate from drinking coffee, tea, eating chocolate, blueberry—but as the enamel wears away, you see more of the dentin which is the secondary layer underneath the enamel and that’s usually darker. You may also see more gray at the edges since it’s thinner and the light shines through. So, that’s what you see regarding the structural component of the teeth.
Regarding your gum health, you’re more likely to see recession and again that’s just from wear and tear and it's this exposed tooth structure that’s much more sensitive to cold, water, and air. So, these are issues that can be exacerbated by aggressive toothbrushing so, it’s something you want to be mindful of.
Katie (2:12):
Gotcha. You know it’s funny, when I was younger I remember reading books and they would talk about people being “long in the tooth” [Julie laughs] and I was like, what the heck are they talking about? And now I’m like, oh okay, yeah those gums do start to recede and I guess it’s a way of describing aging. So, let’s maybe start with gums since this is where we are. What do you we do keep our gums healthy? How do we maybe prevent receding? And if they maybe have receded, what do we do to make sure we kinda stem the tide and prevent further erosion?
Julie (2:45):
Right. So, you know, the basics are really the same as what your dentist told you as a kid. You want to be sure you brush twice a day, you want to floss once a day, and you want to go for professional cleanings every six months if you can. Now, when you brush, the technique is key. You want to make sure you cover all the exposed tooth surfaces; upstairs, downstairs, outside, inside, left side, right side, and along the gum lines as well, and this is an area that’s very easy to neglect. You also want to hold the bristles at a 45 degree angle toward the tissues so that you sweep away any food or bacteria that can get caught along the gum line. So, that’s where you start. The other thing I need to mention is that there’s no substitute for flossing. People think that if I brush frequently or thoroughly enough then I don’t need to floss, but that’s simply not true. The only way to remove the bacteria in between the teeth, which we call contact areas, is to mechanically get in there and debride the area with floss.
Katie (3:45):
Got it. And so floss, of course, flossing is so important too. But for that gum line, do you recommend an electronic toothbrush? Manual? How are we getting in there? Also, what are we using for flossing?
Julie (4:00):
Yes, so here’s the thing. I mean, I’m a big fan of the electric brush because it just does all the work for you. With a manual brush, you get up to 300 strokes per minute. With an electric brush you can get thousands, even ten thousands of strokes per minute and all you really need to do is just glide it along your teeth. So, you want to be careful, make sure you get to all the exposed tooth surfaces, glide it along your teeth. But again, I need to emphasize that you don’t want to brush along with it because then that will just cause more wear.
Katie (4:31):
Got it, so that is a fascinating— I can’t even believe that. It’s so far superior to manual brushing.
Julie (4:38):
So far, yeah. The other thing— oh I’m sorry.
Katie (4:42):
Yeah, no, no, no I’m just saying that’s an amazing statistic and I feel like running out and buying an electric toothbrush right now.
Julie (4:49):
Well, here’s the thing, there are so many different varieties now. You don’t even have to get one with all the bells and whistles. You could just get a basic, simple electric toothbrush that will do the work for you.
Katie (4:59):
Fantastic, because simple is good. I want to ask you about teeth whitening ‘cause I had no idea that as we age and our enamel starts to disappear or break down, a darker tooth emerges. We all want a white, happy, glowing smile. How do we do that? Do we use over the counter whitening products? Do we work with a cosmetic dentist for whitening needs? Or is it a hybrid?
Julie (5:24):
The trends are still the same as they were 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Everyone still wants whiter, brighter, straighter teeth. However, now, patients have just so many more options. There are a variety of ways to whiten your teeth from the in-office whitening to over-the-counter products. I always recommend you know, before you do any sort of whitening just to speak to your dentist, just to manage your expectations. For example, if you are somebody who had veneers, crowns, or bridges, they will simply not whiten. The peroxide, which is the active ingredient, will only affect your natural teeth. Also, if you’ve never tried bleaching before, I always recommend starting with something really easy and inexpensive with a low concentration of peroxide like Crest Whitestrips. Those are tried and true and they’re impregnated with a peroxide, a carbamide peroxide, which is a derivative of hydrogen peroxide. But what I’ve realized is, in dentistry, as with many things in life, less can be more. So, trying out the Whitestrips will help you learn a few things about your teeth. First of all, do they respond to the bleach? Do they become whiter with the bleach? Secondly, do your teeth become more sensitive afterwards, especially with cold and air? If they do, you’re probably not a candidate for anything stronger. The other thing to keep in mind is consistency is paramount when it comes to home bleaching. If you’re gonna do the Whitestrips or the trays, you want to do it during a period where you can do it for 10 to 14 days straight, at least the first time around.
Katie (7:04):
And when you’re doing that Dr. Cho, do you need to avoid teeth staining foods like tomato sauce or coffee?
Julie (7:12):
I mean, it’s recommended you do that just to maximize the results. Do you need to? No. will your teeth turn red after you eat tomato sauce right afterwards? No. But if you really want to get your bang for your buck, that’s what’s recommended.
Katie (7:25):
Okay so white strips are something that I have not actually pursued or focused on myself, but I do buy whitening toothpaste. Does that work?
Julie (7:36):
That does work. It’s better than nothing.
Katie (7:39):
Better than nothing okay.
Julie (7:40):
It’s better than nothing, right. Remember all the major oral healthcare companies now have their own line of whitening toothpaste, whitening rinses and so you have a lot of choices out there.
Katie (7:51):
Okay, and so if somebody does the white strips and sees that they make a difference and they don’t experience the discomfort that you referred to, should they then for maybe a bigger bang for their buck head in to cosmetic dentistry for the trays or the lasers?
Julie (8:11):
Yeah. What you could do is, you know, find something with a stronger concentration of carbamide peroxide or hydrogen peroxide or you could even try to do the in-office whitening which is usually a 25-35% concentration of hydrogen peroxide that we use.
Katie (8:25):
Okay, so what are the lasers that I see? Because sometimes I see people with things in their mouth, they’re glowing red or they’re glowing blue. Is that a laser? Is that different from the… I can’t even, what is it that you just shared with me? My brain just let the science term go— Hydrogen peroxide, there you go, I got it back, I got it back. [laughs]
Julie (8:48):
You know, the lasers, it’s not technically a laser, it’s usually an LED light, like a blue light. And what that’s supposed to do is speed up the chemical reaction that dissolves the staining. So, it works in conjunction with the peroxide solution. So, it doesn’t produce heat but what it can do is it can dry out the teeth which then renders it a very chalky appearance. And so, you know, buyer beware because once the teeth rehydrate, they might appear less white than they did initially.
Katie (9:16):
That’s so fascinating, I had no idea. I’ve also seen these LED teeth whitening kits sold for home use. Do you recommend that or do you think it should be done under the care of a dentist in an office?
Julie (9:28):
I would try it, I don’t think there’s any harm in trying it. But if you don’t really see results, I would say, you know, speak to your dentist.
Katie (9:35):
Okay, great. I know from looking at your website that your office has a wide range of dental services including veneers. Is a veneer something that you use to affect or change the aesthetics of your mouth or improve your smile? Or should people consider those as their teeth wear and chip as they age?
Julie (9:59):
So, the answer is, D, all of the above. [Katie laughs] You can use veneers for a variety of reasons. You can use them to whiten teeth, you can use them to straighten teeth, you can use them to lengthen teeth, to change the morphology or the shape of the teeth. But, you know, again, not everyone is a candidate for veneers and I think patients need to keep in mind, every time you go into a tooth, every time you cut down natural tooth structure, there’s always a risk it’s going to turn into something more.
Katie (10:28):
Like what? Like what Dr. Cho?
Julie (10:30):
You know, sensitivity, or you know, devitalization of the teeth which means the patients may then require root canal therapy, or changing the bite for example. And that’s all something you need to know about before you actually decide to commit to getting veneers.
Katie (10:47):
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. It does seem like, you see women’s magazines or their people are sort of retooling their teeth in dramatic ways. There can be, you know, sort of a downside.
Julie (11:01):
A downside to it, absolutely.
Katie (11:03):
Which is smart, it’s a little bit like cosmetic, we’ve all seen cosmetic procedures go awry. We see those in magazines when women, or men do crazy things to their faces. But as we age, I do know that my own experience and my own mouth is that I think, years of grinding and just the natural, you know, gravity has affected my teeth. Several years ago I did Invisalign, with good results and I was really happy. I know that some of peers are doing Invisalign, I’ve had friends actually get adult braces because our mouths do change as we age. Are there special things that we can do to get that smile that we want, that we’ve always wanted? Is it consulting with a cosmetic dentist? Is it considering Invisalign? What are things that you recommend to people if they want to have, you know, a joyful smile for the long run?
Julie (11:56):
I’ll tell you, on a side note, orthodontists have seen an uptick in business over the past two years. I think since we’ve all been wearing masks for two years and many of us are working from home and on Zoom all the time, more adults have decided to undergo braces or Invisalign to straighten their teeth which is, you know, very interesting to see.
But keep in mind, every time you chew and grind, those forces are transmitted interiorly. So, you’ll notice as you get older, your teeth become more and more crowded. Not always, but it’s more likely to happen. So, your teeth are constantly shifting. So, the question is, what is it that you’re interested in doing? Do you want whiter teeth? Do you want straighter teeth? Or do you just want to achieve optimal dental health which means keeping them clean, disease-free, gingivitis-free? I think a lot of it depends on what your goals are.
Katie (12:55):
That’s such a great question to ask yourself, what are my goals for my teeth? I remember when Tom Cruise got adult braces and everyone was like, “Woah, Tom Cruise is getting braces.” But he got to a point in life where he wanted to deal with his smile and he’s, you know, one of the most handsome actors that we had going. So, it’s never too late to really get the smile or make the changes that you want in your mouth.
So, if somebody is looking simply at lifestyle choices, if they’re thinking, I’m fine with the white strips, I’m not into cosmetic dentistry, I don’t want braces, but I do want to make sure that my mouth is healthy, are there particular lifestyle or diet choices that we can make that are good for our teeth and gums?
Julie (13:40):
Yes, you know, minimizing stress is good for you both mentally and dentally. I have to tell you, over the past couple years, we have seen so much more evidence of clenching and grinding and an increase in parafunctional habits like chewing on pens, which have resulted in broken teeth. So, you know, if you think that you’re a clencher or grinder, and sometimes people do this inadvertently, meaning they don’t even realize they’re doing it until they wake up and their jaws feel very tight or they have a headache, or the teeth are more sensitive. If this is you I would say look into getting a night guard.
As for diet, crunchy foods like celery, carrots, apples, those are all very cleansing for you teeth. It can, in effect, scrub away plaque. Hard cheeses are also good because it maintains a more basic pH level in your mouth, you want to minimize your sugar intake. But actually what’s more detrimental than just eating something really sugary, is eating something that’s sugary and viscous, that combination. So, something like caramel or a gummy, and that’s because oftentimes these will just stick on your teeth and just sit there, especially if you have deep grooves in your teeth and that just has to do with the anatomy of your teeth. Remember, saliva is your natural form of irrigation but if you have something super sticky on your teeth, the only way you’ll be able to remove it is to really brush it off.
Katie (15:08):
I had a friend whose son wound up with a million cavities because of raisins. He was a huge raisin fan, which as a parent you sort of feel is like a healthy snack, but was really destructive to the teeth.
Julie (15:20):
Right, it’s for the same reason, because they’re sticky.
Katie (15:22):
They’re sticky.
Julie (15:23):
And so they just grab onto the tooth structure and it’s hard to remove unless you actually mechanically go in there and brush it off or floss it out.
Katie (15:31):
So, there are some definite don’ts: caramels, raisins, we’ll avoid those. In terms of top teeth stainers, you mentioned a few of these at the top of the show, you said blueberries, I think you said coffee. Are there other food products and beverages that you would recommend patients avoid or minimize if they want to maintain a white smile?
Julie (15:54):
Yes. So, chocolate, dark chocolate, for example, sodas. And the reason why sodas can be so destructive is it’s not only like, the coloring in cola it’s also the fact that they have a very low pH and that will cause demineralization. So, I would recommend minimizing soda consumption. But if you want something bubbly, carbonated water is a better choice.
Katie (16:22):
And so what is demineralization? What does that mean?
Julie (16:26):
It’s when the enamel breaks down and it’s due to the acid that’s produced by the bacteria in your mouth. So, that is what ultimately causes a breakdown of your tooth structure and decay, that’s what it is. That’s the start of this whole process.
Katie (16:39):
Okay, fantastic, those are things that we’re definitely gonna put on our don’t list, or our minimal list. I want to ask you a little bit about teeth and aging and what affect menopause has or does not have on our oral health. We are gonna take a quick break, but when we come back we’re gonna explore this.
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Katie (18:23):
Okay, Dr. Cho, we’re back from our break. We’re talking about the effects that menopause may have on our mouth. Does the change in hormones that a woman goes through during perimenopause or menopause impact her oral care in any way?
Julie (18:38):
It won’t affect the structure of your teeth because remember, your teeth have already been developed, however, your mouth may become drier. So, that is something that you can resolve with just drinking more water or using the sprays that they sell over the counter that has xylitol in it or sucking on sugar-free candy. So, that’s all something to be mindful of. We see in pregnant women just due to the changes in hormones, that between the third and sixth months of pregnancy, there’s much more inflammation and bleeding. So yes, your hormones can affect your oral health.
Katie (19:15):
Okay, that’s so interesting to know because I feel like menopause affects every aspect of your body, it’s so interesting that it also affects your mouth. What are some of the reasons why dry mouth is something that we want to try to avoid? Is it just because it’s uncomfortable? Or is it something that can affect the biome of our mouth?
Julie (19:34):
Well, aside from being uncomfortable, your teeth are much more susceptible if you don’t have that natural form of irrigation that you get with salivary production. You don’t have saliva to flush out your mouth so they’re much more likely to get decayed. When you eat you have to be much more conscientious of keeping your teeth clean, meaning brushing and flossing right afterward. Otherwise, all that will just stay on your teeth like a big film that’s impossible to remove.
Katie (20:04):
Okay, I want to with gears for a minute Dr. Cho and ask you about something that may seem on its surface, so obvious. Why does it matter that we take care of our mouth and our teeth? Obviously, we want to have a white smile, the way our culture trains us to think of that as something that’s beautiful and welcoming. But I know that oral care matters beyond simple the cosmetics of it. I’m gonna out my husband here and say that when I show up at my dentist they’re like, “Where’s Mike?” I’m like, “You need to ask Mike about this.” I know that there are people in our lives that maybe aren’t prioritizing oral care, there are maybe people listening to this show that are like, “O"h yeah, I’m one of the 50% that didn’t make it to the dentist last year. Why is it important for our overall health to care about our oral health?
Julie (20:53):
Your mouth is a gateway to your overall health, that’s where it all starts. We have seen patients who are debilitated because they have so much tooth pain or tooth destruction. You know, having said that though, I have to say, there are people who do everything right, they brush twice and day, they floss after every year and yet every time they come in there’s a dental problem, so there is a strong genetic component to this as well.
Katie (21:23):
So, people should look and talk to their parents. If they’re in the dentist a lot or if they have cavities or they need to be taking extra steps.
Julie (21:31):
Exactly.
Katie (21:31):
So, let’s walk through some basics. You said at the beginning you should be seeing your dentist every six months, is that for a check-up or is that for cleaning? How often would you like to see people do professional cleanings?
Julie (21:43):
So, I would say minimally every six months for both, for cleaning and for a checkup. But then there are patients that need to come in every three to four months. It really depends on your condition. For example, if you have a history of periodontal disease in your family then I would recommend coming in more frequently. It can only help to come in every three months versus every six months.
Katie (22:07):
And what do you say to patients who are maybe concerned because of ongoing you know, pandemic ramifications? We’re sort of moving out of it but not quite done.
Julie (22:17):
Right. You know, it’s interesting because we were closed for two and a half months, we reopened in June of 2020 and since then, we have not had a single employee of ours get sick. I will tell you, masks work. It’s not a political issue but PPE really works and this is not a job that you can do remotely, obviously, right. So, we’ve been in the office five days a week since June of 2020 and we’ve all stayed healthy, so I just don’t think there’s any reason to be nervous about coming into the dental office, especially now.
Katie (22:51):
Absolutely. I think that’s so key. I’ve been seeing my dentist throughout the pandemic, once they reopened. I agree with PPE. In this kind of garb and mask because they totally work. And my dentist and the dental hygienist uses face shields so they’re doubly protected because you know, my mouth is open and unmasked at the time and the office has been humming along and my whole family has been in it now so I’m delighted to hear that that’s the experience of your own practice as well.
Julie (23:22):
Yeah. I mean, we’ve been very good about wearing PPE and getting the UV lights and the air filtration units and I can’t say that we’ve all, I’m sure luck has a lot to do with this as well but anecdotally I have to tell you, these things work.
Katie (23:39):
Okay, fantastic, so speaking of things that work. You’re in the field, we’re not. Catch us up on some of these oral care products or trends that we may not be aware of. What is the buzz in the dental world about what people are using?
Julie (23:54):
You know, it’s interesting, I was thinking about this but new products, there are always new products out there to discover. Now there are electric brushes with AI technology to ensure that you access all your teeth surfaces. So, it comes with an app as well. I don’t know if anyone wants another app on their phone, [Katie laughs], especially a toothbrush app but it is available.
Katie (24:20):
That’s fascinating.
Julie (24:22):
Fascinating right? Also, so many different methods of home bleaching which we spoke about, home bleaching kits with the blue LED light. So, you have a lot of choices.
Katie (24:37):
Okay, fantastic. And your website I know does a good job of sharing some of them, you write frequently, and you share them on your social media. We’re gonna direct people there at the end so they can figure out how to stay up on what’s happening in the oral care world. But I want to move into our speed round if you’re ready.
Julie (24:54):
Sure.
Katie (24:55):
Okay, fantastic. This is just one, two-word answer to these questions and this is something that I literally wonder about so, I’m so happy you’re here to answer this for me. Should we brush with cold or warm water?
Julie (25:07):
Warm.
Katie (25:08):
Warm, okay.
Julie (25:09):
Yeah, can I add?
Katie (25:11):
Yeah, go.
Julie (25:12):
If you’re sensitive to cold, obviously warm water. But whatever you prefer, as long as your brush and rinse, that’s all I care about.
Katie (25:21):
Okay, that makes sense. Favorite toothbrush brand, or does it not matter?
Julie (25:26):
It does matter. I like the Nimbus which is an extra soft bristle, I also like the Sonicare as an electric toothbrush. I would say those are my two favorites. If you’re gonna use a manual brush, go for the Nimbus, an electric brush go for the Sonicare. And again, you can use a very basic Sonicare, it doesn’t have to be the Sonicare Pro.
Katie (25:45):
Got it. Okay, bamboo toothbrushes? Yes or no?
Julie (25:50):
Yes.
Katie (25:51):
Flavored dental floss, yes or no?
Julie (25:55):
If that’s what’s gonna help you or motivate you to floss, yes. Better that than no floss.
Katie (26:01):
Got it. The dental tool that people do not use enough that they should _____.
Julie (26:08):
Floss I would say.
Katie (26:09):
Floss. Okay, if you were to pick LED teeth whitening kit or whitening toothpaste, which one?
Julie (26:16):
Whitening toothpaste. The key is consistency though, you want to do it you know, again, every day. You’re not gonna see results in 5 days so you really have to keep at it to see results.
Katie (26:27):
Okay, consistency is key.
Julie (26:29):
Yes.
Katie (26:30):
TMJ therapy, can this improve how we sleep?
Julie (26:34):
A hundred percent.
Katie (26:36):
As we age, a special toothpaste? Like a Sensodyne? Yes or no?
Julie (26:41):
It depends.
Katie (26:42):
Okay. I wish people would stop doing this one thing in order to better care for their teeth _____.
Julie (26:48):
Great question. Chewing on ice.
Katie (26:52):
Ooo, I did not see that coming!
Julie (26:55):
Yes.
Katie (26:56):
I wish people would be sure to do this one thing consistently in order to better care for their teeth _____.
Julie (27:02):
I’m gonna say flossing is too obvious an answer, so I’ll say going to the dentist every six months.
Katie (27:07):
Perfect. And if I weren’t a dentist, I would be a _____.
Julie (27:11):
I would be an art consultant.
Katie (27:14):
Oh my gosh, love it. Love it, love it.
Julie (27:16):
So different right?
Katie (27:17):
Yeah.
Julie (27:18):
But I have to say, with dentistry there’s a lot of creativity involved and I don’t think people realize that. It’s kind of a mix between artistry and science and that’s what makes it so enjoyable.
Katie (27:29):
I bet. And I think that you can actually see that with cosmetic dentistry too. To make it look so real and natural, it probably is an art form. To really help people, because sometimes we see when it’s not done well, and people look like Chiclets so there is an artistry to making cosmetic dentistry look natural.
Julie (27:51):
I have to say Katie, how fortunate that I’m able to do this. I realize that I’m not saving lives, but at the end of the day I feel like I’m doing something purposeful and it’s fun and I just don’t take any of it for granted.
Katie (28:04):
I absolutely think that fixing people’s teeth and giving them the smile they want is so meaningful because I remember before I did Invisalign, I was starting to feel like a little sheepish about smiling in photos, I was beginning to feel a little uncomfortable with my smile which is sad. I really believe that giving people the smile that they want is so meaningful because I know it made a difference in my own life.
Thank you so much, Dr. Cho. Before we say goodbye, how can listeners find you, follow more of your tips on oral care, and learn about your dental practice?
Julie (28:38):
You can follow me on Instagram @drjuliecho or website, drjuliecho.com.
Katie (28:45):
Thank you so much, Julie. This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women who are aging without apology. Join me next Monday when we explore how creativity can fuel resilience and prevent burnout with best-selling author Eve Rodsky, author of Find Your Unicorn Space: Reclaim Your Creative Life in a Too-Busy World.
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