Want to Change Your Life? Dr. Rachel Goldman Says Start with a "Tweak"
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Feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or like life just keeps life-ing? You don't need a crisis to build a mental health toolkit or to change your life— you need tools before the curveballs hit. Dr. Rachel Goldman, NYU clinical psychologist and author of “When Life Happens,” shares how one tiny tweak (not change!) rewires your day, why "thoughts are not facts," and how to create a resilient mindset—including strategies for big change and making peace with a midlife body that's shifting in ways you didn't ask for. You'll leave with practical scripts to silence your inner critic, reframe mistakes, and to stop shoulding all over yourself. Your reset starts now!
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When Life Happens: The Mindset Shift You Need to Manage Stress, Build Confidence, and Break Free
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"The perfect time to make a tweak is really right now — we never really feel ready, but taking that action starts building confidence."
Transcript:
Katie Fogarty[0:03]
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women who are unafraid to age out loud. Beauty's quick confession: I'm generally a glass-half-full kind of gal. My basic speed is optimism, but holy Toledo, life keeps on life-ing. The news cycle is bonkers. My email inboxes are a total horror show, and I am helping care for a parent with memory issues, along with everything else on my plate. And I know you are all juggling and struggling, too. If you have ever wished someone could just hand you a manual for dealing with life — like an actual practical, no-fluff guide for thriving during the ups and downs, for when things get hard or overwhelming or go completely off the rails — you are going to love today's guest. Dr. Rachel Goldman is a clinical psychologist, speaker, and author of When Life Happens. And here's what I love about this book: you don't have to be in a crisis to use it. In fact, that's kind of the whole point. It's about being proactive, building your mental health toolbox before life throws you curveballs. You hit those speed bumps and potholes. We are talking clarity, confidence, and emotional strength that wires you for resilience. Dr. Goldman wants you to feel so equipped, so grounded in your tools, that you can actively shape your life rather than just survive it. So grab your coffee, get comfy, and get ready to walk away from this episode feeling like you can handle whatever comes next. Welcome to A Certain Age, Dr. Goldman.
Dr. Rachel Goldman[1:39]
Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here with you. And I just loved that intro — I was like, yes, that is what my book is. Guys, that sounds amazing.
Katie Fogarty[1:47]
It does, it does, it does. I really enjoyed exploring this. I've read so many books. This one was truly wonderful. It opens — I want to let the listener know — it really opens as a warm, supportive hug. You congratulate the reader on picking the book up, and you say, "You are important, and that act of picking up this book is an act of self-care. It's the first step towards living the life you want." And I would add that listening to today's conversation is also an act of self-care. So, Dr. Goldman, why this book, and why now?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[2:18]
I had this idea for this book for a while, and it really comes down to the right time for you — and for me, it was just not the right time years ago. And then all of a sudden, I kept seeing and hearing the same things from my clients, similar things, similar experiences, one client after another, and me giving the same — my clients call them "Dr. Rachel-isms" — or the same tips and advice. And I was like, wow, it would be really wonderful if I had all of this in one place. So the things I was hearing are like, people feeling stuck, right? People feeling like, "Oh my God, to do anything I have to change my whole life." Getting overwhelmed, feeling stuck, not knowing what to do next. And I'm so excited, because I think now, better than ever, is the time for this book to be out there and for people to pick it up, because there's so much going on in the world.
Katie Fogarty[3:15]
Yeah, we have this sort of chaotic news cycle. We're living in the advent of AI and big, seismic change in how we live and work. There is a lot of change, and change can produce anxiety. I know that from reading this book that CBT is the backbone of your approach when you're working with patients. So for listeners who aren't familiar, can you break down what CBT is and why it works so well for the kinds of challenges that I'm experiencing and that your listeners are experiencing today?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[3:44]
Yeah, so CBT is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which, as you said, is definitely the backbone of my work. It is also an evidence-based treatment, and it's been proven effective for years, specifically for depression, and then extended from there for anxiety as well as many other conditions. What I love about CBT most, though, is that you don't need a mental health illness or a diagnosis to benefit from it. There are so many amazing techniques and tools drawn from CBT that can really help us all just live our lives fuller, healthier, and happier. And that's because the basic idea of CBT is that our thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are all linked. And I think the sooner we can realize and understand that, the easier it is to understand what is actually going on, and how most things that we do in a day are all related. So for instance, if we wake up with an unhelpful thought, that's immediately going to impact how we feel, and that's then going to change the course of our day in terms of what our actions are and what our behaviors are. So what people don't realize is that self-talk actually does matter. The words that we use when we're talking to ourselves matter because we're listening, and eventually we start feeling and acting in that way as well.
Katie Fogarty[5:03]
I love that you said self-talk does matter, because when reading this book, I was saying to my husband, "Gosh, the teachings in here, the way it's all broken down, reminds me of when I heard Olympic freestyle skier Eileen Gu answer an interview after the Olympics." Somebody asked her about her sort of thinking and her thought process and how she processes the world that she's in. And she said, "I have been very intentional about the way I speak to myself, because the way I speak to myself informs how I think, and how you think informs who you become." And I was really knocked out by her wisdom at the age of 22 — to be able to not only articulate this, but to be actively practicing it. And this book helps people get there. Most of my listeners are well past 22, but you can pick up this book today and really start to change the way that you think, because that's going to change, at the end of the day, who you become and how you experience the world. So your book is about mindset shifts. You focus on different areas. There's a chapter on stress, and one on how to think empowering thoughts, how to work with your brain. You get into realistic, achievable goal setting versus how we sometimes get derailed. You have a chapter on how to get into action, one on reframing body image, coping skills — so a lot of great different areas. But something that really stitches this all together is language: how we use language to shape our thinking and spur action. We're going to explore as much as we can, but I want to ask you to start about a word that you use throughout the book — and that is the word "tweak." This is such a deliberate choice. You're using the word "tweak" versus something like "change." Can you walk us through why?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[6:42]
Yeah, and I love that you said that. Right when you said, "There's a word I want to get to," I had a feeling it was that one. So yes, I was very intentional with this. And the reason is because, even as we said earlier, change is overwhelming. And it could be a good change or a bad change, but it's overwhelming because it's new, and with anything new, there's uncertainty to it. And so I think just the word "change" scares people. I like to think of it as the teeniest, tiniest tweak. Literally, if we think of how our thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are linked — by just saying, "I'm going to tweak this," or "I'm going to tweak my day," or "I'm going to tweak my action," or "I'm going to tweak my thoughts," it really makes people feel like, "I can do this." It is empowering. It seems totally doable. It's not life-changing. It's not overhauling your life. So I really deliberately and intentionally use that word throughout the book, because what I don't want is for people to think that they have to completely change or overhaul anything to start feeling better.
Katie Fogarty[7:48]
It feels so accessible, and you have so many examples in your book about how you can get there. And this also comes up a lot in the goal-setting chapter too. When we say our goal is "I want to get healthy," it's so general that it's hard to even know where to begin. But when you say, "I want to get healthy, and I will walk four times a week outside," there's an action step, right? And you have a wonderful image in your book of a staircase — you only get to the top of the staircase by going one step at a time. And this book is an invitation to start to take those small steps. The book is also an invitation to really explore our own limiting beliefs around what's possible for ourselves and our lives. This is a big theme in the book. Sometimes you also refer to it as imposter syndrome. What are the common limiting beliefs that you see your female clients carrying around? Where do they come from? And is the first step in addressing them recognizing them?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[8:40]
Yeah, absolutely. So the first step in addressing them is actually just acknowledging, right? Recognizing that this is a limiting belief, or this is an unhelpful thought. And I think for many women, again, this idea of overhauling their life — or even taking it a step further — this idea that if you do it, it has to be perfect. Or if you're going to do it, it has to be done this way. Or, "If I don't have an hour, I'm not going to do it at all." These are some common, really unhelpful thoughts that individuals have, but those thoughts or beliefs really just keep you exactly where you are. So the first step is to identify that it's a limiting belief or an unhelpful thought, and then once we can start acknowledging and recognizing it, we can make a decision on what we want to do next. And I walk people through this in the book — you really have two choices. You can either just recognize it and let that thought go, or, going back to the word "tweak," we can learn ways to tweak the thought to work for us.
Katie Fogarty[9:44]
The book is full of wonderful scripts and charts, so it's very practical, very hands-on. You just said it — it's full of the most common things that people probably have bubble up in their brains all the time. I recognize many of my own thoughts within these scripts, and then you offer context as to why we might be thinking them, how we can think differently about them, and you actually provide a new, fresh thought that we can work on adopting — all very simple, none of it complicated. These are very simple little charts. We're heading into a quick break, but when we come back, I want to walk through one or two of these scripts with you so listeners can understand how easily they can start to use these in their own lives. We'll be back in just a minute.
Dr. Goldman, we're back from the break. When we went into it, we were talking about the negative self-talk that we all engage in at different points. I feel like I've gotten better at the age of 56 at silencing my inner critic, but things still pop up, and I know that listeners have a voice that is sometimes saying things to them like, "You're too old," or "You made a mistake," or "You screwed that up," or "You shouldn't have said that." So let's talk for a little bit before we get into some of these actual scripts about something that you said in the book that blew my mind and that I wrote down: "Thoughts are not facts." I love it. It's so obvious on its face, but I think sometimes we forget that. We think we're thinking things and that they're true. Our limiting beliefs about what we can or cannot do feel like facts to us, rather than a story. So as a starting point, can you do a little stage-setting around this notion of "thoughts are not facts"?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[11:26]
Yeah, and it's such an important reminder, because we have so many thoughts a day, and we don't necessarily pay attention to all of them — but the ones that we really do pay attention to tend to be the less helpful ones, or those that are really harsh and self-critical. And what I like to remind people, and I have this in the book as well, is that our brains are wired for survival. Our brains want us to survive, not necessarily succeed. Our brains are not wired for success — actually, they're wired for survival. And what I mean by that is, if we have a thought that we're, say, not going to get the job, or we're going to fail at whatever it is, our brain wants us to stop before we actually get to that point, because it's easier, in a way, to say "no" than to try and fail. Survival would be like: "I'm only going to do it if I know I'm going to succeed." So our brain automatically jumps to those worst-case scenarios in order to prepare us, or to help us just not even try — it's easier that way. So I think that's an important reminder for people: your brain is generating these messages that are not true. They are just thoughts. They're not facts. And the reason is because we are bombarded with messages all day, every day, and it's like our brain's best way of interpreting all those messages and trying to help us survive. So again, it's an important reminder that thoughts are just thoughts, and if we can sit with that for a moment, that's really helpful. And what we can do with that is also examine the evidence, right? Because in the moment, it feels like a fact. And a great CBT tool is actually examining the evidence. What that looks like is: "Okay, you're not going to get the job," or, "What do you think you're doing? You're in your 50s, you're not going to be able to do this." I would actually say: pause. Where's the evidence for that? Or even the comments I mentioned before: "Who said so?" Who is saying that you're not able to do that in your 50s? Who is saying that you should or shouldn't do XYZ? Usually it's not you. It's some kind of societal pressure — society or culture telling us that. But again, where's the fact that that has to be the truth? Usually there is no fact, or there is no evidence of it. And if there is evidence, it's very little.
Katie Fogarty[13:52]
You mentioned a little bit in the book this notion of toxic positivity — that we want to be optimistic, but we want to be realistic. So —
Dr. Rachel Goldman[14:01]
Exactly.
Katie Fogarty[14:01]
There's a balance between those. One of the reframes that I noted in my notes was something I've used myself. So you were talking about negative self-talk before a big exam or maybe a big presentation. I do a lot of public speaking and presenting, both in my podcast world and in my day job where I do career coaching workshops. And many years ago — frequent listeners to the show know this — at one point I was very nervous about public speaking, and I would have that inner voice, which is what you describe in the book: "I'm going to mess this up. People are not going to think this is good. I'm so nervous." This would run through my brain. And your reframe was: "I've worked hard to prepare for this. Feeling nervous is normal. I can handle this." And I will let you know that I had a public speaking coach give me that reframe and helped insert it into my brain. She would say, "Katie, you have been working very hard. You know this material. You are so prepared. It is very normal to feel nervous." And then she even took it one step further and said, "Think of your nerves as excitement — you are excited to be helping these people make a difference with the information you're going to share." So I still get nervous, but I remind myself that's because I'm excited. I want to make sure I connect with the audience, because I care about giving them the tools I have to offer. So it works, and that's why I flagged this as one of the scripts I wanted to share with our listeners today, because I've really seen and practiced this in my own life and can testify to the fact that it makes a difference.
Dr. Rachel Goldman[15:35]
Yeah, I love that you shared that example, because similarly — I also do a lot of public speaking — that's actually why I use that example, because it's one that is very relatable to myself. And actually, in the book, I talk about stress and eustress. So eustress is the good stress. With what you just described, what I was hearing was the good stress — just like I experience before a speaking engagement. The extra preparing we do, that's the good stress, that's the excitement. That's what motivates us to review our notes a little bit more. And I think it's also really important that people differentiate: not all stress is equal. There's the good stress that feels exciting, like what you just described — that's good stress that's helping you be more prepared. And then there's the bad stress that doesn't feel so good. So I think that reframe you described — that I have in the book — but also taking it that step further, can be so helpful for people to have that moment of, "Oh, this isn't a bad thing. I like doing this. It's fun. I'm excited. I am prepared." And that's also examining the evidence, right? If you examine the evidence: "I'm going to screw up." You ask yourself, "Well, where's the evidence? I practiced. I'm prepared. I'm going to do the best I can." Life happens — we know that — and maybe there's a mistake or an error, or whatever, but you're going to do the best you can. And going into it with that reframe is going to be more motivating, more inspiring, more empowering, and you're going to feel more in control — as opposed to "I know I'm going to screw up," which feels like it's already out of our control. We want to take back that control by using those reframes.
Katie Fogarty[17:14]
Yeah, I love this idea that we're reframing stress — it doesn't always have to be bad. Stress has a bad PR agent, and we want to try to avoid it. But you're right: we can feel stressed about things that are moving us forward, propelling us through a growth stage, helping us push past our comfort level to try something new. So I love that. Thank you for that. Dr. Goldman, you used the word "mistake" just a minute ago when we were talking about this, because that was another one of the scripts I flagged. This is very common. Life is full of mistakes — I've made a million. I probably made one earlier today that I'm not even tracking, because mistakes are so common. But our inner critic sometimes says, especially during moments of high stress, vulnerability, or anxiety: "I'm a failure. I made this mistake." And you suggest a reframe for that inner critic — or inner cheerleader — which might be: "Mistakes happen. I can learn and improve from this, and I can keep going." I think that's also a really valuable reframe that I feel was only fully accessible to me in midlife. I don't think 20- or even 30-year-old Katie was like, "Yeah, that mistake — I've learned from it," because I feel like every mistake I ever made involved suffering.
Dr. Rachel Goldman[18:33]
Right. And with mistakes, we immediately blow them out of proportion in our brains. We're like, "Oh my God, the worst thing happened," or "The worst thing's going to happen now," and we start to spiral downward. But if we're able to just stop it where it is and state it as a fact — "Fine, I made a mistake" — and then move on, as opposed to allowing it to take control of us. And you mentioned the word "failure" a moment ago. I don't believe in the word failure, actually, because of the reframe we just talked about. There is no such thing as failure. There is making mistakes — we're human, we're going to make mistakes, and we move on. But that doesn't mean that we failed.
Katie Fogarty[19:13]
Yeah. I used to play a lot of competitive tennis, and I had adopted something I'd read somewhere after a period of struggle: "I either win or I learn something." On the court, you're either winning the game or you're learning you need to work on your backhand. And sometimes it's humbling. Nobody likes to go out there on a tennis court — or anywhere — and have their ass kicked, but sometimes it's like, "Okay, I've got to figure out some new things. I've got to work on my game." So I think it's humbling, but we get to a certain age and we can really work on those things and approach our failures or challenges with a different lens. And maybe this is the right segue into my next question. So many women on this show, including me, are going through identity shifts. We move into midlife. We might be becoming empty nesters, if we are parents. We are seeing our careers and our industries evolve. We are dealing with perhaps changes in our own parents, where we're more involved with their caretaking — and that's a big identity shift when all of a sudden you're telling your parent what to do. Walk us through your thinking and how we can better talk to ourselves when we're in that liminal space, when we're in the seismic part of the transition where we haven't fully moved through it yet and it still feels really uncomfortable.
Dr. Rachel Goldman[20:32]
And it goes back to what we were just talking about — although we didn't put a word to it at the time — which is about a growth mindset. So there's a fixed mindset and there's a growth mindset, and the growth mindset is the one that looks at those experiences as learning opportunities and keeps the door open. And I think for many people, as we are shifting and going through different phases, uncertainty doesn't mean disaster, right? It just means we don't know. But I think a lot of people jump to the conclusion that, "This is going to be horrible. Aging is going to be horrible. This is going to be terrible" — all these things that we hear. But if we're able to shift how we think about it with more of an open mind, like, "You know what? I don't know. It doesn't have to be terrible, doesn't have to be horrible. One person's experience is one person's experience." And then reminding ourselves that transitions are temporary — nobody likes change, but everything is temporary. The phase is temporary. The transition is even more temporary, and then you're going to be in that next phase. So remind yourself that everything is temporary. Our brains just want to jump to, "No, you don't want to do this. No, this is scary. The worst case is going to happen. Disaster is going to happen." And again, where's the evidence? Our thoughts can either keep us exactly stuck where we are, or there's a totally different feel to it when we say something like, "I don't know what it's going to be like, but I'm going to see," as opposed to, "This is going to be horrible." So just going back to that idea that our thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are linked — be mindful of the words you're using when you're speaking to yourself, because we are listening, and it's going to become our reality.
Katie Fogarty[22:13]
You use the phrase "fighting that change," and earlier in the show we talked about how the word "change" scares people, which is why you're using "tweak" — a gentler, step-by-step invitation to make a modification, versus a big, full-on change. This is also why a lot of people don't like the word "reinvent." Sometimes we're re-imagining versus reinventing. But all of these imply some sort of forward movement, no matter what we're calling it. For someone who feels completely stuck right now — and I feel like at different points we all feel very stuck in something — I would argue we've all gone through a phase of stuckness. They know maybe that they need to make these tweaks, but they don't know where to start. What's the very first step you would tell them to take?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[23:01]
Yeah, so the very first step is: I would ask them, "What is the teeniest thing you can do today that's going to get you moving forward?" And then if they don't know, what I like to do is look at health behaviors. I would say, "All right, let's think about your sleep. How has your sleep been? Or let's think about your nutrition — what you're eating and what you're putting in your body. How does that make you feel? Let's look at your water intake. Let's look at your movement, your stress management." Those are the health behaviors I really like to focus on. And then I would say, "Okay, let's pick one. Where can we make a change?" Maybe it's going to bed 10 minutes earlier — again, a tweak. Or maybe it's sipping on literally one more sip of water, if you even know what your water intake is, or getting outside. But all of those things just help us get moving. Because when we're feeling stuck, we get stuck in our heads, and it's our mindset that keeps us stuck exactly where we are. And sometimes what we need to do is just do it. We have to get moving — meaning, take the action. We never really feel "ready." There's never the perfect time to make a tweak, a change, or anything. The perfect time is really right now. So oftentimes when people are getting stuck, it's because there's too much going on in their heads, and they just have to take the action. That action starts building confidence, and then we start seeing that success, that accomplishment, that confidence-building. And then we're like, "Oh, I did it yesterday. I can do it again today." But if it's too scary, too overwhelming, too much of a big "change," we're not going to be able to sustain it.
Katie Fogarty[24:38]
Yeah, it's the magic of compounding action. When you do one small thing, that action compounds, and it eventually gets you to the finish line. And I love this notion of just greasing the wheel — getting going with something very small to help move you forward. You talk a lot about the mind-body connection, and I love that you started with health ideas because we can drink more water and take the other steps you identify — they're not a heavy lift. You talk a lot about the mind-body connection throughout the book. A lot of your work is around managing challenges around weight, disordered eating, and body image. You've worked in that area with a degree of specialty. How does what's happening in our body show up in our thoughts and emotions, and vice versa?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[25:22]
The mind-body connection is so real, and that's one of the things I really wish more people understood, because we live in such a fast-paced society that is always thinking about what's next. We're always on the go. We tend to really miss those signals. Our body is actually giving us signals all day, every day, and we're missing them because we are constantly on the go — or ignoring them, because who has time to stop and pay attention to these things when you're trying to accomplish a million things at the same time? The easiest example is the fight-or-flight response. I think that's the purest, simplest example of the mind-body connection, because when we are feeling stressed or overwhelmed, we feel it in our bodies. Our heart rate starts increasing, a lot of people start feeling sweaty or clammy, our thoughts are racing. All of these things are happening because we had a thought, we interpreted that thought as a threat, and then our body reacted to it. So if we can remember that, I think we're able to have a better understanding of what's going on. But it all comes down to pausing and being able to tune into our bodies and understanding what's really going on. Somebody listening right now may not even realize it, but their shoulders are practically up to their ears because they're holding tension — or their hands are in a fist, not even realizing it. I hear this a lot. And that's stress, or that's your body giving you a signal that we can just let go a little bit, and then the rest kind of follows. So again, our thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are linked. The same thing goes with our mind and our body. So if we loosen up one of them, the other one is connected — it's going to send a signal like, "You're safe. You can calm down, you can relax." And maybe something scary is going on, but you don't have to be quite as tense. You can understand what's going on in your body and then decide: "Okay, this is the action I'm going to take." Or maybe we need to take a breath and force our body to calm down — and then, with that, the thought will follow. Because our thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are all linked.
Katie Fogarty[27:26]
So we're paying attention to our body's signals, which makes so much sense. But what happens when you're inhabiting a body that you don't like? I know that women can have complicated relationships with their bodies. It changes over time. For listeners right now who are maybe struggling with midlife body changes, or perhaps they've had an ongoing relationship with their body that's been deeply ambivalent or even hateful over the years — what would your coaching be on that? Because you have an entire chapter on reframing your relationship with your body.
Dr. Rachel Goldman[28:01]
Yeah, I do, because it's so important — and especially for women — because so many individuals struggle with body image at one time or another. And it's something that I think fluctuates. It's not like you just wake up one morning with an amazing body image or a horrible body image. It really fluctuates throughout our lives because of those phases and transitions we're constantly going through. And the first thing I like to remind people is this: if we could take the appearance out of the equation for a minute and really understand that our bodies serve a purpose — if we can focus more on the function and what our bodies do for us, we can then be a little kinder to our bodies. And what I'm really talking about is the difference between body positivity and body neutrality. Body positivity is this idea that "I should love my body all the time the way it is." Body neutrality is a gentler approach — more of an acceptance, understanding that I can appreciate my body for what it does for me, as opposed to having to love how it looks. And I think that is easier for people to get to, embrace, and understand. I'll give an example. I have two young children, and I love to use this example: "I love my arms because they allow me to hug my children," or "I love my legs because they allow me to walk my son to school." I'm also a runner, so I always say, "I love my legs because they allow me to run." If we're able to find a function that different body parts serve for us — and if there's a body part that you particularly dislike, I would actually say start with that body part and think of what it does for you — that starts reframing the way you're thinking about your body. The key is that we're taking appearance out of focus. I'm not saying it's going to change the way you look at yourself overnight, but you're going to look at yourself through a kinder lens if you can focus on those other things instead. And then, in time, we can learn to accept our bodies for what they are. Body acceptance really is a journey. There are days we may not fully accept it, but again, if we focus on the function, it's a little easier to do that.
Katie Fogarty[30:19]
And your book gives a wonderful prompt to the reader — which I want to share with our listeners today — which is: "Would I say this thought, this inner thought about my body, to a friend or someone I love?" And I would say 90% of the time the answer would be no. I hope it's 100% of the time, but I know that sometimes people find themselves in family situations where they hear unkind things. But we want to bring the lens of kindness — how would I speak to someone that I love deeply? — and it needs to start with ourselves. So this has been such a rich conversation, Dr. Goldman. I know we're nearing the end of our time today. Listeners are going to find so many incredible scripts for reframing negative self-talk, for choosing empowering language — even something as simple as no longer saying "would" or "should" when you think about the way you spend your days and do your goal setting. We're no longer "should-ing" all over ourselves. We're actively choosing how we want to shape our lives. But my last question for you is: if a listener is walking away from this episode and does just one thing differently tomorrow, what do you hope that it is?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[31:27]
I hope it's the recognition and understanding that the thoughts they're having and their self-talk actually do matter — and that tweaking one thought, or even one word within that thought, can change the course of their entire day.
Katie Fogarty[31:44]
What a powerful note to end on. Dr. Goldman, thank you so much for being with me today. Before we say goodbye, though, how can our listeners keep following you, your work, and learn more about your book?
Dr. Rachel Goldman[31:53]
Yes, thank you so much. I'm on all social media platforms as @DrRachelNYC, and you can find my book pretty much anywhere you like to buy books, or at WhenLifeHappensBook.com, which also has all of those links as well.
Katie Fogarty[32:08]
Thank you so much. This wraps A Certain Age, a show for women who are aging without apology. It is absolutely a treat to hang out with authors, to crack open the pages of a book with them, to dive into the years of work and experience they've put down on paper. I really enjoyed hanging out with Dr. Goldman today, asking her some questions, and hearing her perspective on building a resilience toolkit. If you took something away from this show — if you made some mental notes, if there's something she suggested that you're going to add to your life — I want to hear about it. Let me know in an Apple Podcasts or Spotify review. Reviews help other women find the show, they help the show grow, and they always make me feel phenomenal when I see a listener taking the time to write something. Special thanks to Michael Mancini, who composed and produced our theme music. See you next time, and until then — age boldly, beauties.