On Menopause: When Toxic Rage is the New Hot Flash
Show Snapshot:
Is menopause messing with your sleep, waistline, and peace of mind? Reclaim your ZZZs and sanity with advice from Dr. Anita Sadaty, an OB/GYN and expert on women’s health and wellness. Anita walks us through the surprisingly simple steps for navigating menopause with our vibrancy and wellness intact. Plus, tips for revving up your libido for a steamier sex life. Because, steamier sex life!
In This Episode We Cover:
Four common health challenges women face during menopause.
Why managing menopause is like banking. Positive deposits offset depleting withdrawals.
Two beloved staples sabotaging your restorative sleep. (weep)
What’s adrenal fatigue? Why mastering it is the key to thriving during menopause.
Are low libido and dry vag standing in your way of pleasurable sex? An under-the-radar fix to help.
Does CBD have a role in navigating menopausal side-effects?
Twelve quick dos and don’ts for optimizing health and wellness.
Quotable:
“Having a full career, multiple children, juggling the kinds of things that contemporary women are juggling these days—trying to keep fit, trying to be on top of everything. We're withdrawing too much from our bank account.”
“Vaginal health, enjoyable sex, and painless sex have gotten the short end of the stick for women in menopause.”
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Transcript:
Katie Fogarty (00:03):
Welcome to A Certain Age, a show for women on life after 50, who are unafraid to age out loud. I'm your host, Katie Fogarty.
Did you know the average age for a woman to hit menopause is 51? Thank you, Google. Google also tells me that menopause comes with an assortment of symptoms. Vaginal dryness, hot flashes, chills night sweats, weight gain, mood changes. It's like a buffet of things that absolutely nobody has any interest in eating. I'm very excited about our guest today, who'll be walking us through this smorgasbord of symptoms and coaching us on navigating menopause with our sanity, health, and overall wellness intact.
I'm joined today by Dr. Anita Sadaty, a board-certified OB/GYN. She is the founder of Redefining Health Medical, a women's health practice in Long Island, New York. She has an astonishing list of credentials: Attending Physician for the Northwell Health System, Assistant Clinical Professor at Hofstra Medical School. She's a Cornell Med School grad, former Chief Resident at North Shore University Hospital. She recently did a two-year certification in integrative medicine, but perhaps her coolest career moment — she delivered J-Lo and Mark Anthony's twins, Emme and Max. Welcome, Anita.
Anita Sadaty (01:15):
Thank you, Katie. Happy to be here.
Katie Fogarty (01:17):
Before we dive in and talk all things menopause, I want to start with a very quick story.
I have known Anita for 11 or 12 years. We met on a tennis court when we were both doing a Saturday morning clinic for working women. Another woman in town invited me to play tennis and suggested that we do doubles and each bring a friend. And I thought to myself, you know, I don't have any friends who play tennis. And then I remembered Anita and I asked her to join us. So the four of us wound up on a tennis court early one morning.
At the time, I had three kids, and my youngest was well under two, and still getting up in the middle of the night. I was complaining to the women about how exhausted I was. And the other two women were all like, "Me too! Me too!" We were all up with our kids in the middle of the night, and complaining how hard it was being a mom with young babies. And we all turned to Anita and she kind of shrugged and said, "You know, I'm a little tired too. I was up delivering two babies last night," and we all looked at her and were like, "Okay, fine. You win."
My first thought was, "I need to drink more coffee." And then my second thought was, "Who is this badass woman?" I had no idea that she was an OB/GYN, that she was delivering babies. She was bounding around the tennis court, kicking ass. She was so gorgeous, smart, interesting, and dynamic. And I thought, "I need this woman in my life." We've been friends ever since. And I'm so thrilled that she is here joining me as my first guest on this podcast.
Anita Sadaty (02:51):
Oh my God. Thank you, Katie. That's wonderful. I didn't know I was going to get such accolades.
Katie Fogarty (03:00):
Not only are you a fantastic tennis player, but you are also an expert on all things women's gyno— that's hard to say. Women's gynecological health. So, I'm curious, what are the top three to four concerns that your patients consistently come to you with about this period in a women's reproductive health?
Anita Sadaty (03:23):
That's a great question. I'd have to say that the top four things that women say about their menopause or their transition time, that's really troubling is; number one, weight gain or weight loss resistance; number two, hot flashes, night sweats, and also interruption in their sleep that can go hand in hand; the third thing is fatigue. You know, this significant kind of just tired, unmotivated, lack-of-energy type of thing, which is very troubling to a lot of women. And then the fourth thing is vaginal dryness or pain with intercourse. I'd say those are the top four things that women complain to me about.
Katie Fogarty (04:07):
That's so interesting because hot flashes get a lot of press. They've got a good PR agent, but I've never heard about the overall fatigue as being a symptom. Can you tell me a little bit more about that? What would a woman who is experiencing fatigue do to manage that?
Anita Sadaty (04:22):
I'd like to give an example in my own life. This is when I really understood what was going on for patients when they're hitting perimenopause and menopause. As you mentioned, my life was pretty busy and very over-scheduled and any sort of time that I had to myself, I was scheduled, playing tennis or going to a dance class, or doing something.
I was very regimented as far as my fitness. One morning when I was supposed to do a dance class, I woke up exhausted. I was starting office hours at one o'clock in the afternoon. And I woke up that morning and I was like, "I can't get out of bed." I felt so exhausted. And I think the best word is depleted. I think that's a word that a lot of patients use, a word that really resonated with me and showed me what they were talking about because that's exactly what I was feeling. I was like, "I can't go to work. I can't do anything." It was such a severe level of fatigue and depletion and lack of motivation. It was almost like, "Oh my God, I need to kind of get away from my life." You know, not a normal feeling.
And it just so happened that that weekend, I was going to a conference, and it was given by another OB/GYN and the topic was adrenal fatigue. And he started describing exactly what I was feeling and exactly what so many of my patients were feeling. And what I came to learn was that underlying the loss of female hormones, when we talk about estrogen and progesterone we kind of correlate that with menopause, but really that fatigue is coming from a deeper area. This level of stress hormone imbalance actually underlies a lot of fatigue. So, if fatigue is the main symptom for someone, I really want to dive into what their stress hormone situation is like. To know what their bank account for stress hormone is like; what are you putting in to regenerate and restore and replenish yourself versus what are you taking out?
Katie Fogarty (06:34):
I love that idea of a bank account, where you're making deposits. So, what are some of the positive deposits you can be making into your bank to manage your stress?
Anita Sadaty (06:45):
Most of the symptoms that we're going to talk about, the big four pillars of health as I like to call them, are related to your sleep, your nutrition, your stress-hormone balance, and your movement or your exercise. So, we have to examine each of those things individually in order to figure out what's not right for what you're experiencing and what should somebody be experiencing ideally.
Katie Fogarty (07:16):
So many of us think that menopause just happens and you have to maybe endure it. If you were trying to manage it and sort of thrive during this period of time, what would be sort of your optimal health and benefits?
Anita Sadaty (07:33):
You're a hundred percent correct that any of the symptoms that we're talking about for menopause, whether it's hot flashes, even vaginal dryness or fatigue, weight, loss, resistance, all of those things are, are better managed once we dial into what the appropriate lifestyle pillars are.
So, for nutrition, let's just start with that. I want to make sure that somebody is eating an anti-inflammatory diet. What I mean by that is that you're really focused on lots of different types of vegetables and fruits, healthy proteins, healthy oils, healthy fats. A big misconception is that fat is terrible for you. And it's actually so important. It really rebuilds all your cell membranes which impact how your health, how your brain works, and how your hormones stabilize. And so I want to make sure that patients are having a really well-rounded and very vegetable-dense diet.
There's nothing better for menopause than to aim for 7 to 10 servings of fruits and vegetables and more vegetables than fruit. Because we do want to be a little bit careful about our sugar. The second thing with diet is that the two most favorite things for us, which is caffeine and alcohol are the worst for menopause. I find that—
Katie Fogarty (09:00):
Booooooooo.
Anita Sadaty (09:00):
Yeah, I know shoot the messenger. But if anybody is having any type of a sleep disruption issue, or if you're having any anxiety or mood instability, than caffeine is really not your friend. Alcohol is another thing that will trigger hot flashes, especially wine. Sadly, wine is a huge trigger for hot flashes and night sweats. So, I want to look into how much are women consuming? I like to talk about it in terms of a week over a week's time— how many glasses of alcohol are you having a week? Because the number is a lot worse than when you say per night.
Katie Fogarty (09:44):
That makes so much sense, to take a more global view of your week and what you're doing. You mentioned hot flashes a few times, and as I said earlier, that they get great PR, I think climate change needs their PR agent. Everyone associates menopause with hot flashes. And I have to say that I'm 50. I went through menopause last year at 49. I didn't have any hot flashes. And I'm like, “Am I doing this right? What's going on? You go girl!” But then I realized I was having these toxic waves of just rage. And I'm like, maybe this is the hot flash? It wasn't happening in the middle of the night. It was happening when I was interacting with my husband or looking at the news. I would just find myself, almost like almost like a toddler, consumed with rage. It was weird.
Help me out.
Anita Sadaty (10:43):
No, it's so interesting how different things are going to affect each individual differently. But I would say that mood instability, we'll call it…
Katie Fogarty (10:54):
Mood instability instead of toxic rage? I love that. But toxic rage is more accurate though.
Anita Sadaty (10:59):
Right? So let's go with that. Toxic rage.
Toxic rage to me that also speaks to an adrenal health imbalance, because what happens is that when it’s more a depletion of your stress hormones, and I'm going to tell you right off the bat, having a third kid automatically puts you into an adrenal stress imbalance. Like, there's just no way. But having a full career, having multiple children, juggling the kinds of things that contemporary women are juggling these days, trying to keep fit, trying to be on top of everything. It's just, it's a lot to handle. And again, we're withdrawing a little too much from our bank account.
So, what happens is that with adrenal stress, our main hormone that we want to rely on to maintain equilibrium, to keep inflammation down, to keep our sugar and insulin balanced, to keep our brain balanced is cortisol. But unfortunately, when we are using up too much cortisol, when we're sort of using it all the time when you didn't get enough sleep, maybe we're using too much caffeine because caffeine triggers the release of cortisol. Maybe we've had some stressful situations, or maybe you've had a physical injury where you need cortisol to heal that inflammatory response. The type of food you're eating may not be great for you. That's another thing that creates inflammation. So, anything that creates stress or inflammation requires cortisol to step in. And the problem is that after time, your adrenal just stops listening. It's just stops listening to…
Katie Fogarty (12:34):
It's like a little kid.
Anita Sadaty (12:34):
Oh yeah. I like to say for people of our generation, we remember Charlie Brown listening to the teacher. It's all womp, womp, womp, womp, womp. So, that is what the adrenal does. It's not listening anymore. It won't respond. But unfortunately your body says, “Well, we need to get some help with what's going on in our system right now.” So, guess what the batter up is? The second person on the bench? It's adrenaline. And that just doesn't feel so great. It's not that smooth ride that cortisol gives you. It's this really significant jolt. And so, when you have an adrenaline rush, as opposed to a cortisol lift, it’s anxiety producing, it's anger producing, it's hot flash producing, it's night-sweat producing. It has a lot of negative consequences, it gets the job done, but it's not painless. You definitely feel it.
Katie Fogarty (13:32):
I like the idea of a cortisol lift, something that's supporting you and helping you. So, sleep is one of the things that can help reset cortisol. Is that correct?
Anita Sadaty (13:43):
Oh my God. Absolutely. And I think that sleep deficits are probably the number one cause of adrenal hormone disruption. In this day and age, nobody's really getting restorative sleep. To begin the most restorative sleep happens between 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM. That's when your adrenal heals, that's when your brain heals, that's when you get the best quality sleep and, you know, rarely are people going to bed at 10 o'clock. So, start with that.
Secondly, you need to get eight hours of sleep. A lot of people think that can operate well on six hours of sleep. I'm going to tell you right now that genetically less than 5% of the population is wired to be able to function optimally on six hours of sleep. So, eight hours is really what we're aiming for. For some people it may be even more, maybe nine.
So, you want the quantity to be okay and you want the quality to be okay. And the quality of sleep is super, super important. You know, are you getting into deep sleep? Are you getting into restorative sleep? The non-REM sleep tends to be what we toss aside when we shorten our sleep at night. And so I'm trying to get eight hours ensures that that non-REM restorative sleep is being fulfilled as far as our sleep criteria.
We also are just so wired at night, you know, the blue light screens from our iPad or the TV or computers, iPhones that blue light kills your melatonin. And everybody knows melatonin is important for onset of sleep. It really helps trigger sleep. But when you are constantly exposed to bright light or blue light, which is what artificial light is— you kill your melatonin level. And as a matter of fact, the opposite happens. You get a high in your cortisol, which is all about being awake and being energized.
Katie Fogarty (15:47):
Well, my daughter who is 20, has invested in these blue light reading glasses, and she's found they made a huge difference in her screen time and her sleep. And I think that you might have been the one that coached her on minimizing blue lights. I haven't taken that on yet, and I need to, although I've been good about keeping my phone out of my bedroom. I've been good about reading before bed versus TV or looking at my phone before bed. I think I was really inspired by Arianna Huffington, who really has taken on owning sleep as a health issue. I think she really has elevated people's understanding that sleep is such a critical tool for our health and wellness, even business success. She talks about how her businesses are doing better now that she's getting those eight hours of sleep.
One of the things that I think doesn't get a lot of press when we talk about menopause is libido and sex and the physical changes in your body. In advance of this session today, I went on your website. I wanted to see what you were sharing, what services you're offering to your patients. And I saw something called vaginal laser therapy. And I was like, "What the what?”
Anita Sadaty (17:10):
You can't unsee that now?
Katie Fogarty (17:13):
No, you cannot.
Anita Sadaty (17:15):
Those are such good questions. I think vaginal health, enjoyable sex, and painless sex have gotten the short end of the stick for women in menopause. So, for the last 25 years of my practice, one of the main things that we use to help women with vaginal dryness and painful intercourse— just to back up for two seconds. With menopause, with the drop in estrogen, the vaginal tissue tends to get affected really significantly with respect to thinning and lack of lubrication and elasticity. There's also a big drop in blood flow, which, as you know, is important for achieving orgasm or having a quality orgasm, you want good blood flow, all of those things go down when you lose estrogen. So, for some women, it doesn't always have to happen.
And I'm not a hundred percent clear as to why some women have such problems with it. Some people don't. I think it does have to do with it just general level of health and adrenal health, because your adrenals do continue to make some level of female hormones even after menopause. So, if you have an intact adrenal, that's helpful, but with vaginal pain in menopause, it's usually related to dryness and lack of elasticity. So, for the most part, women were either given over the counter non-hormonal, lubricants or intervaginal moisturizers. Those helped, I mean, lubricants are certainly helpful, I think in general, but moisturizers are there to try to help the vaginal tissue retain water. But it doesn't necessarily help the elasticity. It doesn't help the blood flow. So that falls short for a lot of women in terms of what they're looking to experience.
The next step is to use vaginal hormones, estrogen in particular, or even DHA and testosterone vaginally. Those can help rebuild the tissue. But for a lot of women, they're very conscious about not wanting to expose themselves to hormones because of the concern for other GYN cancers, like breast cancer or uterine cancer, and/or they have a family history, or they have increased risk and they don't want to have to apply hormones to themselves vaginally all the time, because it's not a treatment that you stop and you're okay. It's longterm. I have patients asking, “So, how long should I use this vaginal estrogen?" I'm like, "For as long as you don't want a dry vagina." Soon as you want the dry vagina back then...
Katie Fogarty (19:54):
So, this is like an "until-the-end-of-times situation."
Anita Sadaty (19:57):
Exactly. So, you know, that's not a great answer for a lot of women. So, when we get to vaginal laser, to me, that's just a no-brainer. So, the vaginal laser, it's a CO2, it's been used for 30, 40, 50 years in the United States for face rejuvenation, as far as anti-wrinkling and building up collagen and elastin. It has a really long history of use. And it was repurposed in Europe for women, specifically with a history of breast cancer who were not candidates for using estrogen. So, they developed it in that situation to help with both vaginal dryness, painful intercourse. Also for some women, they want some tightening after childbirth and also urinary stress-incontinence. It helps to restore some of the supports under the bladder to prevent leaking urine, which is kind of a plus.
Katie Fogarty (20:47):
Yeah, totally.
Anita Sadaty (20:48):
It's a treatment that you do, you have to do it three times and then you're good for the year, It restores the collagen, the elastin. You don't have to be sticking stuff in your vagina every night in order to keep the health. And, you do it once a year. It's a game-changer. And it works more effectively, honestly, because you're not dependent on having to do something every night or a few times a week. It's like one and done, you get treated you're good for the year, once a year, get your maintenance, just like New York State car inspection, just go in.
Katie Fogarty (21:23):
That makes sense.
Anita Sadaty (21:23):
Rotate the tires.
Katie Fogarty (21:24):
We're over 50. There's a limit to how many things we can remember to do.
Anita Sadaty (21:30):
Exactly.
Katie Fogarty (21:31):
I remember a couple of years ago back when 50 Shades of Gray was super hot, that you said you were recommending it to patients who are struggling with libido. Do you have any other sort of tips or tricks like that? It's like somewhere between vaginal laser therapy and that book, are there other small....
Anita Sadaty (21:48):
Tidbits.
Katie Fogarty (21:49):
...Tidbits that you can share?
Anita Sadaty (21:50):
Yeah, you know, low libido is super complicated because, for women, there's a great saying that a friend of mine who's a compounding pharmacist said, "Women need to be relaxed to have sex and men have sex to relax." And it's so true. I mean, a guy can be doing anything and in the middle of anywhere, they're ready to just drop trou and go. And you know, woman, "It's like, no, I need to be in the mood. I need, everything needs to be in place. I have to be calm..."
Katie Fogarty (22:21):
It's more complicated. We're more complicated.
Anita Sadaty (22:24):
Absolutely. So, that's a little bit why kind of quick fixes are not that available, but let's talk a little quick fix. A new thing that I'm excited about that I've seen in my practice that have been helpful for women in general for libido. So number one, believe it or not is CBD. So CBD of course, has to make its mark on everything, right? It's making CBD...
Katie Fogarty (22:49):
Of course! I went to a restaurant recently and you could get CBD added onto your salad. I was like, “Oh my Lord, what's going on?”
Anita Sadaty (22:57):
I had not heard of that.
Katie Fogarty (22:59):
It was like shrimp, salmon, CBD. What topper would you like?
Anita Sadaty (23:04):
I believe it. It's an amazing additive for anything. I mean, I've used it. I use it to help anxiety. I use it for pain and inflammation. I use it for sleep for patients, but believe it or not, there are some studies that show that CBD is also helpful for libido and increased sexual interest. And I believe that the reason that's the case is because it creates a state of relaxation.
Katie Fogarty (23:31):
That makes so much sense.
Anita Sadaty (23:32):
And it's not something you have to use constantly to get the benefit. You know, if you hit the right dose, you'll know, within 24 hours, cause you'll feel it. You'll feel an interest. So, that's kind of a cool thing. And CBD is, you know, if you get a quality from a reputable place that has third-party verification of its contents and stuff, I mean, you don't want to buy it at the gas station, you do want to do a little research about it, but if you get quality, there's no downside to it.
Katie Fogarty (24:00):
Great. I love that. I want to switch gears for a minute Anita, and talk about your own switch in gears. Several years ago, you made a change in your career. You stopped delivering babies to concentrate on other aspects of women's...gyno...you know, I can't say that word, gynecological health.
Anita Sadaty (24:17):
I can't either.
Katie Fogarty (24:18):
Hilarious. And you got certified for functional medicine. You left your previous medical practice and you struck out on your own. I love second act, transition stories. I'm curious. What made you make this change? Was it a now or never feeling? How did you lay the groundwork for this career second act?
Anita Sadaty (24:37):
That's a nice question. So, a few things involved. Number one, as I mentioned, I sort of had my personal experience in what transition feels like with that severe fatigue. And I realized that I did not have answers for myself or for my patients in conventional medicine. So, that really pushed me to start looking at other healthcare modalities. More alternative, more integrative, more functional medicine. So, that's what you know was one of the things that piqued the interest.
The second thing was that you know, as you mentioned at the beginning of this podcast is that I came off of delivering babies in the middle of night, all the time. After 20 years, it was too much. It was really taking a toll on my health. I mean, you talk about sleep disruption and stress-hormone imbalance. As lovely and wonderful as delivering babies is, it's such an honor and a gift to be a part of, it is draining. It's tough. And you know, after 20 years I said, I don't think I can continue to do it. So, it's sort of the mother necessity. But really what ultimately pushed me in that direction was that the changes that I could see in my patients when I used this type of training to help them were unmatched by anything I had done previously. And there's nothing better than making somebody feel better who's had no help in any direction in which they've turned. That really made the difference for me.
And I can give you a really quick example of a story. There was a 16-year-old girl that I saw in my office recently. A wonderful kid, straight-A student, a dancer, great friends, eight months prior, all of a sudden developed, debilitating social anxiety, debilitating panic. Had a hard time getting through a day at school with her anxiety and stress. She was being seen by a psychologist and psychiatrist and started on Prozac. Standard. And wasn't really getting better.
So, they were looking for another, another avenue and that's how they came to me. They said, could it be hormones? Like, what is it? So in tracking back, I said, well, what was going on? You know, when you started with this, I mean, we didn't really pinpoint any trauma, any friend problem. There was no psychological trigger. What happened was that she was treated for pneumonia, and when she was treated, she needed multiple courses of really strong antibiotics. And that was when the anxiety began. It also overlapped with developing horrible IBS, bloating gas symptoms. So, I realized this is her gut. This is something to do with her intestinal imbalance, the bacteria, the antibiotics wiped out, her beneficial bacteria allowed other things to grow. She has a ton of inflammation. It's starting from her gut. It's affecting her brain. So, that's how I started treating her.
And despite COVID, she's done a complete 180 in terms of her health, the anxiety is lifted. She's able to hang out with her friends. She's able to go to a store, which was so scary for her. She's actually getting off of her psychotropic medications.
Katie Fogarty (27:57):
That is a wonderful story. And just so important to focus in on our gut health.
I want to quickly move into a speed round of other good decisions we can be making for our health. I just want maybe a yes or no from you, or sort of a thumbs up, thumbs down. Are you ready?
Anita Sadaty (28:13):
Yes.
Katie Fogarty (28:14):
Okay. Yoga.
Anita Sadaty (28:16):
Oh my God. Thumbs up. Yes. Yes.
Katie Fogarty (28:17):
Massage.
Anita Sadaty (28:18):
Yes. Yes. Thumbs up.
Katie Fogarty (28:19):
Breathwork.
Anita Sadaty (28:20):
A hundred percent.
Katie Fogarty (28:21):
Meditation.
Anita Sadaty (28:23):
A hundred percent.
Katie Fogarty (28:24):
Pelvic floor exercises.
Anita Sadaty (28:26):
Excellent.
Katie Fogarty (28:27):
Adaptogens.
Anita Sadaty (28:28):
Love it.
Katie Fogarty (28:29):
McDonald’s.
Anita Sadaty (28:30):
No.
Katie Fogarty (28:32):
Okay. I had to throw in a curveball. Intermittent fasting.
Anita Sadaty (28:36):
Amazing.
Katie Fogarty (28:37):
Primal screaming.
Anita Sadaty (28:38):
Don't know about that.
Katie Fogarty (28:41):
Vaginal steaming.
Anita Sadaty (28:43):
No, that'd be a no.
Katie Fogarty (28:45):
Sorry, Goop. Okay. Wine.
Anita Sadaty (28:49):
Wine is a question mark. In moderation, which is different for different people. And if it doesn't create anxiety and you don't have sleep issues.
Katie Fogarty (28:58):
Got it. And my very last one. Forest bathing.
Anita Sadaty (29:01):
I'll tell you that there are two things with that one. Being out in nature, amazing. Resets the adrenal a hundred percent. Bathing. It depends on what you're bathing in.
Katie Fogarty (29:14):
TBD. TBD. Anita, you have shared so many wonderful tips and tools with us during this session. What's one product or resource you want to make sure our listeners know about before we wrap up?
Anita Sadaty (29:25):
So, given that sleep is such an important topic for us today. A gadget that I think might be helpful for people is something called the ChiliPad. It's a blanket, a weighted blanket that actually can cool you to the desired temperature. Really one important thing for sleep is sleeping in cooler temperatures, something like 68 degrees, ideally, that may not be great for your partner. So, if you have your own blanket, your own setup, you can actually help reduce the temperature for yourself. And it really leads to deeper, better sleep, especially if you have hot flashes and night sweats.
Katie Fogarty (30:01):
That sounds so divine. Anita, how can our listeners keep following all your health tips and learn more about your work?
Anita Sadaty (30:08):
You can hit me up on my website www.drsadaty.com. I also have a Facebook page Redefining Health Medical, as well as an Instagram @DrSadaty.
Katie Fogarty (30:22):
Thank you, Anita.
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